Subedei Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Looks like Crump and Smith are Belle Vue bound: http://www.przegladzuzlowy.pl/news_torun.php?id=1089884023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Yes,i would have thought so.There are a number of Polish riders riding here with German licences.Kowalski and Frankow(were last season at least),Sekula and Schmidt.Its a convenience,don't think Stralsund and Wolfslake really have much control over them though.When these agreements are made i think the clubs know where the riders priorities lie. Anyway good to see Klingberg in form before the "Big one" at Brokstedt Just wish Risager would start scoring as well Edited September 11, 2005 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 So, Tarnow get a 22 point lead to take to Bydgoszcz. Will it be enough? And will Bydgoszcz come to regret Pepe's two exclusions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Not an entirely unexpected result, but not one that Bydgoszcz would have been hoping for. I think Tarnow have done enough to make sure of their victory now. Not unexpectedly, the real difference between the teams was at the bottom of the teams. Kolodziej and Rempala hitting paid 23 compared to Klecha and Buczkowski's 5. I'm looking forward to hearing what the Bydgoszcz fans have to say about the meeting, but it sounds like PePe was very harshly done by, at least in his first exclusion. From the report I have seen, PePe was going around the outside of Jacek Gollob who shut the door on him causing both riders to come off at high speed, with the Bydgoszcz man being controversially excluded. The second fall was after Tomek Gollob dived inside of PePe in heat 16. I haven't seen any suggestion of whether Gollob actually hit him or not, maybe Mateusz or Lawrence could clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Well, dear old Marek Gollob, I mean Wojaczek, was the referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Wojaczek must have been high on crack or drunk. After Pepe got up and threw his goggles on the track I thought he was going to pull a "Kasprzak" on Jacek,who laid on the track for some time after his bike pounced on to his back with a lot of force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) heat 10: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/foto/10_bieg.mpg - Protasiewicz (yellow) excluded. heat 13: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/video/13_bieg.mpg heat 15: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/video/15_bieg.mpg - Protasiewicz (yellow) excluded once again. Edited September 12, 2005 by Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Ht 10..Burza, J Gollob, Buczkowski, Protasiewicz [Ex] 5-1 (38-22) J.Gollob smashed PePe into the fence using his elbow as well and that f..ker Wojaczek excluded PePe. I've never seen anything like that before and never been so angry like yesterday! J.Gollob rode totally reckless and Wojaczek has proved once again how stupid/blind he is.. One word to describe it: SCANDAL And it's not only my opinion as a guy from Bydgoszcz but almost everywhere (apart from Tarnow of course..) fans share this view. Bydgoszcz weren't good yesterday but such an idiotic decision only finished us mentally... But our riders fought till the end and I'm proud of them. That decision caused a very bad atmosphere in the pits and mainly at the audience. We had been supporting favourably applausing riders of both teams till the heat 10 but then an unnecessary aggression exploded. The riot police got in and pacified some of most aggressive ultras. Finally there were more riot police units than fans in our Bydgoszcz sector... We left the stadium 45 minutes after the match ended because of security reasons. Then a convoy of police vans had to escort us throught Tarnow and far away from the suburbs if wanted to come back home in one piece... That all was really not gonna happen if the match would be played fair... Now looking forward to the revenge in Bydgoszcz. I still believe in our team. "Protasiewicz asem, Wojaczek kutasem!" - translation only via pm Edited September 12, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) The second fall was after Tomek Gollob dived inside of PePe in heat 16. I haven't seen any suggestion of whether Gollob actually hit him or not, maybe Mateusz or Lawrence could clarify. I think there was no contact between them but I'd have to watch on tv to be 100% sure. Anyway, it was rather PePe's fault this time. Unlike to the situation in the heat 10 PS. My friend had a call from the management of Polonia about yesterday. Everyone's there even more angry than we and there will be no mercy on 25/09. We got a free hand for fence-banners, riders have got a free hand for their ride at the track... Tarnow started, we will finish Edited September 12, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I think there was no contact between them but I'd have to watch on tv to be 100% sure. Anyway, it was rather PePe's fault this time. Unlike to the situation in the heat 10 PS. My friend had a call from the management of Polonia about yesterday. Everyone's there even more angry than we and there will be no mercy on 25/09. We got a free hand for fence-banners, riders have got a free hand for their ride at the track... Tarnow started, we will finish <{POST_SNAPBACK}> About heat 15th - I`m almos sure that there no contact between Gollob and Pepe. Pepe led the race, but in entering of 2nd corner he rode to wide, and Gollob attacked Pepe from the inside. Pepe was tat high speed - if he try slow down - Gollob could hit Pepe`s bike, and propably they colud fall down both. But pepe did not slown down and he entered 2nd corner too fast - and the air-fence was caloser and closer..... About Pepe`s ride - he coud get 2 or 3 pts more. Except this stupid exclusion. Every fan of Bydgoszcz preparing wistles for 25/09 - there will be "rumble" stadium :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leliwa Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Sweet Jesus, Mateusz, from you report it sounds as you just barely escaped in one piece from Tarnow. Funny, Police escort is a standard procedure no matter were you go in Poland, be it Wroclaw, Bydgoszcz or Torun. Were you chaised by some chooligans? As for police in your sector, we both know why they came in, I was sitting right next to your sector, and I had a pretty good view. I admit that atmosphere got spoiled after heat 10 incident and this is too bad. As for Jacek – Pepe incident, I was sure about Jacek’s fault when seeing it live. Today morning I watch the video few times and now I have doubts, maybe because of camera angle, I do not know. One think is for certain, it was unsportsmanlike riding on his part, and even people in Tarnow admit it. However, lets not make him into such evil, I mean there are plenty of examples that even the best ride like that (Crump almost putting Hampel on boards incident in GP couple of months ago). Finally, such talk on part of Bydgoszcz management should not take place in my opinion. It sounds like they are preparing for war. Many times in such situations innocent suffer, and I would like both teams to complete their seasons unscratched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Sweet Jesus, Mateusz, from you report it sounds as you just barely escaped in one piece from Tarnow. Funny, Police escort is a standard procedure no matter were you go in Poland, be it Wroclaw, Bydgoszcz or Torun. Were you chaised by some chooligans? Well, I've never been escorted by the police, maybe because I don't travel much. However, it's not such a standard procedure. For example in Torun the police usually escape quickly to avoid conflict situations.. And in Gdansk you have only security guards which are members of hools groups in majority I'd rather say that our coach might not come back in piece, not we as people. We had a very bad experience last time in Tarnow on a railway station and I don't think that some groups of "fans" (?) that gathered around the cage after the match had a friendly attitude... And my friend's dad that came to Tarnow yesterday with his wife was beaten by some squirts only because of the fact he didn't want give them his scarf. All in all I must say that the police worked very well yesterday and thanks to that our coach with big labels "PKS Bydgoszcz" came back with all glasses unbroken. As for police in your sector, we both know why they came in, I was sitting right next to your sector, and I had a pretty good view. I admit that atmosphere got spoiled after heat 10 incident and this is too bad. You're right, I don't disagree with you in this point. As for Jacek – Pepe incident, I was sure about Jacek’s fault when seeing it live. Today morning I watch the video few times and now I have doubts, maybe because of camera angle, I do not know. One think is for certain, it was unsportsmanlike riding on his part, and even people in Tarnow admit it. However, lets not make him into such evil, I mean there are plenty of examples that even the best ride like that (Crump almost putting Hampel on boards incident in GP couple of months ago). From the cage we had a pretty good view at this accident. Today I watched a short cut downloaded from the internet and I stay with my opinion. So do many people. And I don't make Jacek such evil. He rode totally recklessly and brutally. I only expected a deserved punishment for him - an exclusion. Just a justice that hasn't come... Looks like Wojaczek excluded PePe only for riding on the outside. And such things like "f..k you" gesture shown by one of an ambulance crew only negatively warmed the atmosphere. Finally, such talk on part of Bydgoszcz management should not take place in my opinion. It sounds like they are preparing for war. Many times in such situations innocent suffer, and I would like both teams to complete their seasons unscratched. Believe me - they are very angry now. I also hope that both teams will finish this season without any victims but you can forget about fair-play riding in Bydgoszcz. I don't mean that they're gonna fence each other but I wouldn't expect leaving any room near the fence by Bydgoszcz riders. Edited September 12, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Well, looks like things are at boiling point over in Poland at the minute. Let's hope they cool down a little between now and the second leg. And this afternoon a weakened Torun team got a thumping at the hands of Czestochowa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 heat 10: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/foto/10_bieg.mpg - Protasiewicz (yellow) excluded.heat 13: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/video/13_bieg.mpg heat 15: http://www.ztpnet.pl/~mch/video/15_bieg.mpg - Protasiewicz (yellow) excluded once again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have tried from 2 different pcs to access these links and I just get "Windows Media player has experienced a problem and must close." Any suggestions ? Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) I had a problem with Hts 10 and 15, but Ht 13 was okay. Edit: And now Ht 10 works, sort of. Looks like Pepe is taking the "Tomasz Gollob" line down the back straight and is slightly ahead of Jacek Gollob when they clash. Edited September 12, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 (edited) Real Player works and Heat 10 was a bit of a howler, Pepe had the run aroung Gollob just went out the fence and clipped Pepe as he went past. Sums up Jacek from what ive seen on polish TV that he doesnt have that much ability but doesnt mind taking a bad crash for the team. Heat 15 was correct decision as Pepe was beat and just played for the dive, he could have kept the bike out of the fence if he tried. However Heat 10 was bad, but that was the kind of decision Bydgoszcz used to get regularily 5 or 10 years ago from what i remember of the TV matchs, wonder why? Edited September 12, 2005 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I had problems running the videos direct from the site, but saving them to disk worked fine. Maybe I'm a little biased, but heat 10 definitely looks like Jacek's fault to me even with the dodgy camera angle. I agree that heat 15 was definitely PePe's own fault. I would disagree with Dekker's suggestion that he "played for the dive" though. Looked like he was forced to go wide so tried to run right to the fence for some extra drive and just lost control and had to bail out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Okay, have seen Ht 15 now and Pepe might've had a case if he'd gone straight down. But it looked like a perfectly fair move from TG. I don't think Pepe went for a dive. I can't imagine he thought Gollob would've been excluded. Especially not after Ht 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 (edited) Please check out how that awful crash in the heat 10 looked from our point of view in the cage: J.Gollob v PePe crash - heat 10 ..and look at that water at the track / EDIT: J.Gollob v PePe crash - heat 10 (faster download version) Edited September 14, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 (edited) Wladyslaw Gollob, Gollob bros' father said today on Tarnow's "Radio Maks": "Protasiewicz maliciously crushed Jacek!" I've always known that Mr.Wladyslaw is an idiot but not such an idiot... Edited September 13, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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