Youth Speedway Racing

[Midnight_Lady]

There will never be agreement over the 80cc / 125cc / 500cc bikes etc so why not run both and give the kids and parents a choice of starting on 80cc or 125cc then progressing, age should not come into it. Each rider should be able to show a very high standard of handling from the first stage choice before they can move up to the next size machine and so on.

 

Exactly. When I watched the first under 15's meeting at Armadale last season there were one or two youngsters who were obviously not in control of a 500 cc bike. For a 500cc bike to be the first machine they learn on is dangerous. As Dekker already said starting at the bottom has not harmed any of the Scandinavians has it? We even witnessed some lads from Denmark on 80cc bikes at Frede Schott's testimonial last season and despite them sounding like a swarm of bees they were superb. They went at quite a speed and they also had control and track craft.

 

In Scotland as well as Armadale having second halves every meeting and the Dale Devils CL team Kenny McKinna and Allan McDade run as many training schools as they can and they have some lads as young as six years old who are regulars. A few of them even have their own 80cc bikes.

Kenny and Allan are trying to build up as much track time as possible whether it be at Glasgow or Armadale in order for these youngsters to have a future in speedway and the sessions are extremely well run and they have a selection of different cc bikes available. The sessions have stopped for the moment due to lack of light at the Glasgow track but as soon as the season is over then they will be back to weekends during the day.

 

I would like to know what happened to Louis Carr and the position he was given to set up and help youngsters break through? I never read anything about what he has done

 

 

if all of the youngsters rode 80cc they wouldnt be able to improve at all as the dont have enough power to slide around the corners and would most probably blow up an engine most meetings

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We are not suggesting they stick to 80cc bikes only start off on them as basic training. It might not be the big big bikes your heroes all ride but you have to start somewhere and I think Sweden and Denmark have proven that this is the way to go.

 

Forgot to add the Scottish Speedway Training School link in case anyone is interested in the work Kenny and Allan are doing

Edited September 8, 2005 by Midnight_Lady

[Vince]

With regard to 80cc bikes in Denmark at least I think you will find that the tracks are specially built very small to suit the bikes. According to Kristian Lund you can also go and practice on most of the tracks 7 days a week at a cost of about £8 a day. With the current facilities in this country that would be an impossibility and I just don't think there is potential for investment to build relatively expensive Speedway tracks.

This is why I think practice Grass tracks could be the way to go, small bikes on cheap tracks that can be set up within other motorcycle facilities quickly and easily. By the time the kids graduate to Speedway they already have enough experience to be in control of a more powerful bike. It might not be the ideal situation but I think it is fairly practical.

[Dekker]

With regard to 80cc bikes in Denmark at least I think you will find that the tracks are specially built very small to suit the bikes.

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Thats the point, build small tracks out in the sticks that have minimal facilites but can be used as much as possible.

[Champs175]

Im starting soon but im starting on a 125cc so sam yes i do agree with you they are okay to train on but once you get fast enough you just have to move on.

[TigerTom]

Very few tracks are open during closed season but we are greatfull they are their.However costs are increasing with a typical 4 hour session costing around £35.00.Put that into a monthly figure and it is a joke.The Youth do need to ride once a week ALL YEAR ROUND to learn and improve.Then in February the ACU will hit you with a licence fee of £38 and then the SCB want £70 for a rider permit.

 

Phil

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Unbelievable high costs. In Canada the Licence is $60 CDN and our local track is open for practice for a 4 hour session once a week at a cost of $10. Unfortunately the wather in winter makes riding inmpposible due to the extreme cold. Then people go on the ice.

 

There are $2.30 dollars to the pound. Seems like someone is making a packet over there.

 

Tiger Tom

[TigerTom]

Exactly. When I watched the first under 15's meeting at Armadale last season there were one or two youngsters who were obviously not in control of a 500 cc bike. For a 500cc bike to be the first machine they learn on is dangerous. As Dekker already said starting at the bottom has not harmed any of the Scandinavians has it? We even witnessed some lads from Denmark on 80cc bikes at Frede Schott's testimonial last season and despite them sounding like a swarm of bees they were superb. They went at quite a speed and they also had control and track craft.

 

In Scotland as well as Armadale having second halves every meeting and the Dale Devils CL team Kenny McKinna and Allan McDade run as many training schools as they  can and they have some lads as young as six years old who are regulars. A few of them even have their own 80cc bikes.

Kenny and Allan are trying to build up as much track time as possible whether it be at Glasgow or Armadale in order for these youngsters to have a future in speedway and the sessions are extremely well run and they have a selection of different cc bikes available. The sessions have stopped for the moment due to lack of light at the Glasgow track but as soon as the season is over then they will be back to weekends during the day.

 

I would like to know what happened to Louis Carr and the position he was given to set up  and help youngsters break through? I never read anything about what he has done 

We are not suggesting they stick to 80cc bikes only start off on them as basic training. It might not be the big big bikes your heroes all ride but you have to start somewhere and I think Sweden and Denmark have proven that this is the way to go.

 

Forgot to add the Scottish Speedway Training School link in case anyone is interested in the work Kenny and Allan are doing

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Jawa make a 350cc engine that fits a standard frame! Why not use them. once a rider is old enough to 500cc he can sell his old engine to a junior rider on hisor her way up!

 

Tiger Tom

[Martiwrath_29]

Jawa make a 350cc engine that fits a standard frame! Why not use them. once a rider is old enough to 500cc he can sell his old engine to a junior rider on hisor her way up!

 

Tiger Tom

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Having a 350cc as a pose to a 500cc does not necessarily work better. The 350 cc engine does not have as much power so when you come into a corner, the 500cc will turn easier. The 350cc will tend to drive more, and in doing this will try to straighten up, so it then makes them more dangerous to ride really.

 

Basically, although they have more power, the 500cc has the advantage of having a little added power which can get you out of trouble - It just comes down to the throttle control of the rider. And I am not just telling you the theory, I actually ride both 350cc and 500cc JAWAs (not that the make of the engine means any different) week in week out throughout the season.

[tarabanko]

Me thinks that the way British Speedway must go are to introduce 80cc bikes, and build tracks out in the woods there they can have a go wherever they want.

 

It cant be that hard just look at the Swedish / Danish 80cc scene and see what it have produced through the years since 80cc was introduced here in Sweden in the late 1970's. And its is a nice way of get to knowing other parents with their kids doing speedway.

 

Cheers

 

Mikael

[TMGracing]

I wrote this on another thread but here in the USA we have Jawa 250's.They use the same chassis and carburetion as the 500's they just don't have all the power.Used on the training tracks will work fine.

 

Most of our riders used them here in the USA.Janniro,Fisher,Kerr, all these guys were brought up on these bikes.Jawa also have these bikes made at the factory now.Before they were 350destroked and made in to 250's. The kids use them at the age of about 10-16 lately 15.

[Wildcat Steve]

I think you will find a few new regs coming in for 2006 and will see some classes for the 250s

 

Gary was good to catch up with Chris at Brighton glad he had a good day

[TMGracing]

I think you will find a few new regs coming in for 2006 and will see some classes for the 250s

 

Gary was good to catch up with Chris at Brighton glad he had a good day

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Yeah I am waiting to hear back from him on his traveling adventures.From what I was reading George did himself proud also.We have plenty of those 250 machines over here and they seem to handle the tracks good with riders that are light.The heavier the rider the lower gearing you will need to run to keep the revs up.

 

See you guys soon

Edited December 14, 2005 by TMGracing

[Wildcat Steve]

Yeah I am waiting to hear back from him on his traveling adventures.From what I was reading George did himself proud also.We have plenty of those 250 machines over here and they seem to handle the tracks good with riders that are light.The heavier the rider the lower gearing  you will need to run to keep the revs up.

 

  See you guys soon  

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George and a few of the Academy riders put one of the 250 bikes through its paces at Buxton just before the end of the season. they gave it the thumbs up.

 

Looking forward to the return of the Dream team in 2006.