f-s-p Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 But the chance is now there for the European Championship to make strides and move into a position to challenge the GPs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does anyone have any info on the relations between FIM and UEM. Because I remember reading the UEM rulebook, and in many cases it stated that you should look to the FIM book for further detail. If UEM runs under FIM's control, then I'd think that sort's that out. I'm not 100% sure about these nominations, Hans for example. I cant put a finger on what has happened that justifys Puk and Zagar getting the nod over Hans? I hope he sue's the b¤#¤#d's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I've written to BSI expressing my disgust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 But Sube - a while ago you were saying the the next batch should be the ones to get in because the riders from 8-16 had had their chance! I thought you would have been happy with these nominations. FWIW, think Hans has been very hard done by. The GPs will be a poorer place without him next year if this is true. A rider capable of winning GPs although admittedly his form has dipped slightly this year. I'm still to be won over by Zagar - unproven in the top leagues and only showing up on tracks he is well used to. Look how poor he was at Lonigo. PUK is obviously a talent but again don't expect him to pull up any trees. Would have included Bjerre ahead of him to be honest. As for PePe's inclusion...well the Poles will be happy but it's hardly an inpsirational choice. With the other 2 youngsters in there Kasprzak will have every right to feel aggrieved not to get a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I'm well chuffed for Matej. (Does this mean he'll be a Racer again in 2006 under the wing of John Postlewhaite? ) I've had the pleasure of being able to watch Matej at Smallmead for two seasons. and know he's got the talent, ability and determination to do well. He'll give a good account of himself in the GP's next season. The same can be said for PUK. Both these riders are the GP stars of the future and have to be introduced into the series now to aid their progression as some of the current top stars draw nearer to the end of their careers. Not too sure about Pepe's inclusion - personally I'd have like to have another young rider introduced instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 But Sube - a while ago you were saying the the next batch should be the ones to get in because the riders from 8-16 had had their chance! I thought you would have been happy with these nominations. I waited until all the nominations were made before contacting BSI. Of their picks: Nicholls has had too many chances and always failed. Richardson is there because he's British and will do nothing. Hampel is justified and should storm into the top 8. Lindback showed promise and deserved another go, but I think he'd benefit from a year out. Iversen is 2006's Chrzanowski. Protasiewicz has had loads of chances and never done anything. Zagar has much to prove, but after Krsko probably deserves a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joester Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Iversen is 2006's Chrzanowski. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think he will be, I think Zagar will! I'm still not convinced by Zagar. I've only seen him ride twice but those two times he doesn't look grand prix quality. I saw him at the ASL Freight challenge trophy, he got 6 points (not grand prix quality to me) he also got beaten by riders like Dean Barker and Henning Bager (again not really grand prix quality to me). I also saw him at the PLRC at Sheffield where he scored 6 points (yet again not really grand prix quality to me) and lost to riders like Magnus Zetterstrom, Adrian Rymel, Craig Boyce and Shane Parker. I think in two years he could be a Grand Prix, he needs some Elite League experience first. I think he will do well in the Slovenian Grand Prix but thats it! I'm not doubting that he's a good speedway rider but he's not ready for the Grand Prix's yet! If there was a qualifing system he wouldn't have got through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 If there was a qualifing system he wouldn't have got through! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it was held at Reading or Krsko he might have But i have to agree.Don't think he is ready and will be struggling for points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 If there was a qualifing system he [Zagar] wouldn't have got through! The thing is, Chrzanowski came through the qualifying system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I'm not doubting that he's a good speedway rider but he's not ready for the Grand Prix's yet! If there was a qualifing system he wouldn't have got through! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do you know that? Andy Smith got back into the GP's enough times through a qualifier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 You see, if I remember correctly, the thing about qualifiers is that there's always those riders who don't believe they need to lower themselves to qualifying. And as long as there's "permanent wild cards", there'll always be riders who don't see why they need to qualify when Uncle John at BSI will see them okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joester Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) How do you know that? Andy Smith got back into the GP's enough times through a qualifier! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have two things to say to that: 1. What a surprise your a Reading fan! 2. He wasn't bad then was he (a three time british champion isn't going to be slow, is he) Edited October 23, 2005 by Joester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witches Vs Hammers Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 The thing is, Chrzanowski came through the qualifying system. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chrzanowski only got thro the qualifying system, because Hans had an engine failure in the final race. How can Niels get the place over Hans or even Bjerre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) 2. He's wasn't a bad was he (a three time british champion isn't going to be slow, is he) He [smith] never made a final, did he? Zagar has. Chrzanowski only got thro the qualifying system, because Hans had an engine failure in the final race. Doesn't alter the fact that Chrzanowski came through the qualifiers. Not his problem that Andersen's engine gave up. Edited October 23, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 So has Hans. Won a GP too if I'm not mistaken. Hasn't done him much good either has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 So has Hans. Won a GP too if I'm not mistaken. Hasn't done him much good either has it? And that's the point Andersen's making. And that's why he's apparently going to seek clarification regarding his exclusion. And what a very good case he has. I doubt he'll get clarification. There is just no possible justification for the inclusion of Nicholls and Richardson at the expense of Andersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witches Vs Hammers Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 He [smith] never made a final, did he? Zagar has.Doesn't alter the fact that Chrzanowski came through the qualifiers. Not his problem that Andersen's engine gave up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Firstly, Zagar only got in a final, in his home GP, on a track that he rides week in week out! If I remember correctly, if the qualifiers didnt have the final race, then it would have finished Hans, Lindback, Bjerre THEN Chrzanowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joester Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 He [smith] never made a final, did he? Zagar has.Doesn't alter the fact that Chrzanowski came through the qualifiers. Not his problem that Andersen's engine gave up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Krsko is Zagar's track!! He is the track record holder!! He probably knows the quickest way around there!! And at Lonigo he didn't get into the final then, if he did I would agree that he does deserve a GP place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) Firstly, Zagar only got in a final, in his home GP, on a track that he rides week in week out! And Nicholls rides Eskilstuna week in and week out, but he didn't make the final. Jonsson rides at Bydgoszcz week in and week out, but he didn't make the final. Hampel rides at Wroclaw week in and week out, but he didn't make the final. And Andy Smith used to ride week in and week out at Coventry, but he didn't make the final when the GP was staged there. If I remember correctly, if the qualifiers didnt have the final race, then it would have finished Hans, Lindback, Bjerre THEN Chrzanowski. Problem is, the qualifier did have a final race and Andersen didn't finish it. That's his problem, not Chrzanowski. If the Prague GP hadn't had semis and a final, Nicholls would've won it. But they did and he didn't. Not as if people turned up at the qualifier not knowing there'd be a final. You get to the final and take your chances. Chrzanowski did, Andersen didn't. Tough. He is the track record holder!! Last I heard, TR was the track record holder at Krsko. He certainly broke the track record in the GP earlier this season. Don't believe everything Millard says. Edited October 23, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 What a shame about hans i am sure that middlo will be first on the phone to console him in his time of need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 i am sure that middlo will be first on the phone to console him in his time of need Haven't you heard orion? That's all been forgiven and forgotten. They're best of buddies now. And Andersen's guesting for Poole this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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