Subedei Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 (edited) Yeah and he's probably the 43rd best rider in Sweden and England on this years averages. Not so. According to the averages shown on sportowefakty.pl for the Ekstra Liga, Elitserien and Elite League, Protasiewicz is: At No 8 in the Ekstra Liga on 9.02 (ahead of Jonsson, Andersen and Hancock^), at No 10 in the Elitserien on 8.82 (ahead of Nicholls, Gollob, Hancock, Lindback, Richardson, Kasprzak and Andersen) and at No 26 in the Elite League on 7.49 (ahead of Lindback). ^: Nicholls, PB and Richardson haven't raced enough heats in the Ekstra Liga to gain a recognised average. However, taking their unrecognised averages, only BP is ahead of Protasiewicz. Edited September 23, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Good man, doing my work for me like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy moore Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 You cannot judge riders in the GP unless there given a chance to shine-to say Zagar is only good at Krsko is a joke when he is not even in the series yet -he has to be given time and show what he can do over the whole rounds like others have been given,some riders are only in it because of Television,Gollob Good in Poland Nicolls Too many falls Sullivan ill there are faults in most riders if you look hard enough,the qualifiying needs to be sorted out for the gps you cannot have the same riders squeezing in year after year just because of who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Zagar is a Premier League rider who will get in the GP series courtesy of a sponsor. In my opinion he is not ready and his inclusion could do him more harm than good at this stage of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyPG Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I still can't see any compelling reason, other than commercial, for either Nicholls or Richardson to be retained in the series. They failed in 2004. They failed in 2005. And the chances are they'll fail in 2006. Serial failures that should be defenestrated. Sub Let's have a closer look at this two 'failures' and out idea. 1) Bjarne Pedersen finished 14th in 2003 and 10th in 2004 so as a 'serial failure' would have not had the opportunity to finish in the top 8 this year. 2) Andreas Jonsson (14th in 2002 and 10th in 2003) would have long since been confined to the GP dustbin of history. 3) Nicki Pedersen who was 11th in 2001 and 12th in 2002 would not have been in the competition in 2003 when he went on to become World Champion. I find it difficult to believe that many would see the above as riders who should have been thrown out of the GP system. Regards LucyPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 (edited) 1) Bjarne Pedersen finished 14th in 2003 and 10th in 2004 so asa 'serial failure' would have not had the opportunity to finish in the top 8 this year. BP also won a GP in 2004, which would justify an exemption from my rule. 2) Andreas Jonsson (14th in 2002 and 10th in 2003) would havelong since been confined to the GP dustbin of history. Was the qualification for 2004 not the top 10 from 2003? Also, of course, the assembled field was much larger for 2004. It's down to just 16 riders now. You can afford to be more lenient when the field is larger. 3) Nicki Pedersen who was 11th in 2001 and 12th in 2002 wouldnot have been in the competition in 2003 when he went on to become World Champion. You see, proof of the merits of my system. Under it Nicki P wouldn't have been world champ in 2003. However, you fail to comprehend that my "system" is simply because there is no qualification process open to riders outside the circus. Thus, you have to determine a way of rooting out the weeds in the field. Edited September 26, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyPG Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 However, you fail to comprehend that my "system" is simply because there is no qualification process open to riders outside the circus. Thus, you have to determine a way of rooting out the weeds in the field. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sub Oh but I do comprehend your 'system' otherwise I would not have been able to expose some of the flaws in it. As a keen gardener I applaud the rooting out of weeds but not at the expense of destroying a lawn! Pleased to see you found a way that would have kept Bjarne in for 2005. Also great news for Gollob in future years as he slips down the rankings as he would only need to win heat 23 at Bydgoszcz to secure his GP future. (umh... come to think of it that is what he did this year!). A little disappointed that AJ would have fallen by the wayside - doesn't matter what the rules were as the point was that under your serial failure definition he would have been out. Anyway enough said - I'll not trouble you further. Keep up the good work. Regards LucyPG Over and out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Also great news for Gollob in future years as he slips down the rankingsas he would only need to win heat 23 at Bydgoszcz to secure his GP future. (umh... come to think of it that is what he did this year!). Has Tomasz Gollob EVER finished outside the automatic qualification places? The minute he does, he gets a chance and if he fails again you can be sure that I'll stand by my process and demand his exclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Has Tomasz Gollob EVER finished outside the automatic qualification places? The minute he does, he gets a chance and if he fails again you can be sure that I'll stand by my process and demand his exclusion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gollob did miss the cut in the 90's and was used in every round as one of the wild cards. If the best riders are drafted in, Peter Karlsson, Mark Loram and Rune Holta would be bought in, although this would be hard on Hans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Gollob did miss the cut in the 90's and was used in every round as one of the wild cards. If the best riders are drafted in, Peter Karlsson, Mark Loram and Rune Holta would be bought in, although this would be hard on Hans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't like Andersen that much, but I think his treatment by BSI has been disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Cyclops Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I don't like Andersen that much, but I think his treatment by BSI has been disgraceful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i agree with that, to put lee in and leave hans out is disgraceful when hans has always finished ahead in the overal standings. i wonder what his sponsors think of that. will they stay with hans or the bsi ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 i agree with that, to put lee in and leave hans out is disgraceful when hans has always finished ahead in the overal standings. i wonder what his sponsors think of that. will they stay with hans or the bsi ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree as well would be as disgraceful as letting another rider from sweden past you to let them win world cup If hans does not get picked maybe he feel there is no justice in this world just like middlo did on world cup final night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I agree as well would be as disgraceful as letting another rider from sweden past you to let them win world cup If hans does not get picked maybe he feel there is no justice in this world just like middlo did on world cup final night But you still can't prove it. Can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Cyclops Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I agree as well would be as disgraceful as letting another rider from sweden past you to let them win world cup If hans does not get picked maybe he feel there is no justice in this world just like middlo did on world cup final night <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whats that you said, sorry dont understand bo----ks. yet again brits blaming others cause they cant win naff all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 whats that you said, sorry dont understand bo----ks. yet again brits blaming others cause they cant win naff all. Yes. And the Poles only won this year because it was held in Poland. What's that you say? Britain can't even win when it's held in Britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Yes.And the Poles only won this year because it was held in Poland. What's that you say? Britain can't even win when it's held in Britain? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Britain wouldn't win it if all the other countries were handicapped. The biggest handicap in British Speedway is that not enough money is being invested in the grass roots of the sport, instead it's funding Bentley's and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 But you still can't prove it. Can you? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No and oj simpson did not kill anyone and micheal jackson does not mess around with kids if you apply that logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Britain wouldn't win it if all the other countries were handicapped. The biggest handicap in British Speedway is that not enough money is being invested in the grass roots of the sport, instead it's funding Bentley's and the like. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> your right there. no real money or help is given to make england a top speedway nation again, and you forgot the fake tan cream to go with the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 (edited) whats that you said, sorry dont understand bo----ks. yet again brits blaming others cause they cant win naff all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well looks like there have more chance than hans this year what a shame I guess it is not fair when you have no control over your own destiny Edited October 2, 2005 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 No and oj simpson did not kill anyone and micheal jackson does not mess around with kids if you apply that logic <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ha ha normal answer you would expect, GB lost the meeting they dont need help to lose they can do it on there own. are well theres always next year wonder what the excuse will be in 06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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