iris123 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 The Czech Grand Prix wasnt well attended this year and for there to be a good success this year, they need a Czech rider within the 15. Maybe the crowd difference from last year is because there wasn't a German rider this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Maybe the crowd difference from last year is because there wasn't a German rider this year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can only see Chrzanowski and Sullivan being dropped. Both to be replaced by Poles - Kasprzak and Holta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Can only see Chrzanowski and Sullivan being dropped. Both to be replaced by Poles - Kasprzak and Holta <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  i think your right , both are out but not sure about kasprzak and holta i think neither will be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Nicholls, Hampel and Lindback are all going to be put back in without doubt. Â Hans Andersen should also get a place as Iversen isnt yet to that standard and Gjedde and Bjerre both look destined to miss the start of next season with injuries, especially Bjerre. Â Its sure that Chrzanowski and Sullivan will be chopped and to me it seems the only doubt would be with Lee Richardson who has really had a great series and his only real help in there will be two Brits in. Â Loram it appears is keen to get back in and he is regarded by BSI, SKY and the FIM as one of the sports best entertainers. This I believe would push him ahead of Lee R. If Mark doesnt want to rejoin, then Lee R will be safe. Â Looks an odds on bet that Matej (score 2 from 3 rides. . . ooh I feel sick. . i will go home?) Zagar will be drafted in first and that leaves just one more place. Â So who will replace Chrzanowski ? Â Well with Gollob and Hampel in and two rounds always held in Poland, it would be a suprise if its not another Pole replacing the Poole reject. Â If Kasprzak gets the nod, I hope its not due to his so-called under 21 success, but more for his league form and WTC squad pick for Poland. Rune Holta should be his main rival, but will they really count him as a Pole or not ? Â I'll say that KK will now get the final place. Â NICHOLLS - LINDBACK - HAMPEL - ANDERSEN - Loram/Richardson - ZAGAR - KASPRZAK Â STANDBY; Richardson/Loram - Iversen - Holta - Stead - Lindgren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Holta after his change of country shouldnt be allowed. I think I he were still 'Norwegian' then, he would have good chance because of BSI looking to open up to more commerical markets. Â Richardson was not good enough this year, he doesnt deserve to be back but probably will. How about Stead at the top of the reserve list aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Its sure that Chrzanowski and Sullivan will be chopped and to me it seems the only doubt would be with Lee Richardson who has really had a great series and his only real help in there will be two Brits in. Â You think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I fear that sponsors and good PR will have the final say. BTW if Rune Holta is included, he must ride for Poland in GP since he represented them in WTC. To be Norwegian again now would be farcical. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Rune will not ride for Norway again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Nicholls - agreedLindback - agreed (although I do think he is wreckless) Hampel - agreed Richardson - agreed, but without doubt the least deserving Kasprzak - agreed and the new World Under 21 Champion (even though it was farcically decided by lots) Iversen - Your having a laugh! Oxford second string - no thanks, wouldn't pay to watch him. Zagar - A few weeks ago I would have agreed, but think he was found wanting in Lonigo - the GP's are a lot easier when they are raced on a track where you've raced all your life like Krsko. Jury out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Zagar is nowhere near Holta or Andersen when it comes to quality on various tracks. He is only going good in Krsko. Also Kasprzak has shown in the latter parts of the season that he is not near a place in the GP`s. I`s go for Holta, Protasiewicz or Kolodziej as the final pole, but I think it is too early for Kolodziej. Just see what happened to Robert Miskowiak, U21 champ last year, couln`t get a team place in Wroclaw this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 (edited) Now that 4 out of the 7 are out of the bag, I would go for these riders to have THE BEST 15 riders in the world regardless of nationality: Â Andersen Holta Protasiewicz Edited September 19, 2005 by Maddas69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I think with the four being annouced tonight, the other 3 will be 'different' riders. Â I hope Pepe gets a place, he was brill around Bydgoszcz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I think PePe Protasiewicz should be given one more chance to fight in GP. The last one. His weak results in the past were caused, in general, by that strange KO GP system. Many great riders couldn't get along with it. Besides, he's really powerfull fighter recently. I think he deserves PWC much, much more than Kasprzak. And don't get me wrong (I'm from Wrocław), after season like this, PePe deserves PWC even more than Jarek Hampel! Kasprzak had few chances to show up his skills in previous GPs, and... We all know... He is very weak when the high pressure comes into play. KK thinks only about "wins". Not about how to reach them on the track. Besides, there won't be any coin tossing in GP next year... Youngs (like Kołodziej or Kasprzak e.g.) still have to learn more, and one year more - outside the GP - does not make a huge difference for them. In PePe's case it does. I suppose that PePe won't be so determined to subordinate whole season, to prove that he can be team leader in 3 best leagues, anymore. I think that youngs should prove their skills when they lost their U21 privilege in Polish Ekstraliga. I think that the new GP system is made for riders like Protaś as well.  Last pro for PePe: Ekstraliga 2005: PePe (2,256) - Hampel (1,900) Elitserien 2005: PePe (2,205) - Kasprzak (1,883)  (But my nose tells me, that PWC will go to Kołodziej... "Chelsea" Tarnów - Trzebinia Refinery rider...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 So far there are 2 of each Poles, Danes and Brits. So its going to be Pepe, Hans Andersen and Mark Loram  I know there's only 2 Aussies but there is no room for another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul90210 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I do not believe Nicholls should be safe, unless he hits the top 8. He got a charity inclusion for this year and he shouldn't be rewarded for serial failure. He hasn't looked like troubling a final this season. He's made and fluffed a few semis to be sure, but that's not good enough. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you really believe the gp will run next year without any brits, and if not who would they put in apart from scott when he is clearly the best brit rider we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Do you really believe the gp will run next year without any brits, and if not who would they put in apart from scott when he is clearly the best brit rider we have  Obviously not, since there's already two guaranteed to be in the GPs next season. But they're not there on merit. They're there because they're British. It devalues the competition. If no British riders are good enough - and none has proved they are - then there should be no British riders. End of story. The presence of serial failures Nicholls and Richardson in the GPs next season devalues the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnbroker Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Obviously not, since there's already two guaranteed to be in the GPs next season. But they're not there on merit. They're there because they're British. It devalues the competition. If no British riders are good enough - and none has proved they are - then there should be no British riders. End of story. The presence of serial failures Nicholls and Richardson in the GPs next season devalues the competition. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  The top 16 should be in the gp  Are scott and lee in the top 16 in the world ? the answer is a simple yes !  Just because you don't finish in the top eight does not mean you should not be in the top sixteen  So your plan is to bring riders outside the top 16 ? in my book that as you say devalues the competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 And how, pray tell, is anyone going to enter the "top 16" if they're not allowed in? Which, it seems is what you advocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 I hope Pepe gets a place, he was brill around Bydgoszcz. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Trouble is he's crap everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Trouble is he's crap everywhere else. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Pepe's Poland's third best rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robolots Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 personally I would like to see Loram in as I believe the format would suit him better. Also Hans would get the nod from me as I believe he reached a few semi's and a final this year so IMO he proves he can make the grade. Â Scotty is our best rider at the moment and again IMO I think he is not that far away from being more consistent and progressing beyond the semi's. Â Lee, lucky to be there, but hope he takes the chance and proves some people wrong- if he F(**)s up this year he can't blame it on his ill engine tuner etc etc. Â More importantly I wish they would do away with the wild card as it doesn't mean anything when it comes to the big picture. I would go for 16 in and 2 permanent reserves for every round i.e two under 21's and if they do well when called upon then it would give them a better chance for making the GP's proper and also go someway to seeing if they can step up to the full time GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Pepe's Poland's third best rider. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah and he's probably the 43rd best rider in Sweden and England on this years averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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