FlyinRyan Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 The trouble is there isn't any transparency in what the selection criteria has been - which leaves us to only guess. As we all seem to know, the only real way to run a credible world championship is to have qualifying rounds, then at least you can say whoever is there is there on merit. As for Puk, I'm pleased for him and hope he does ok. I don't think he'll be the worst there. As for being 25th in the league averages, maybe he is, I haven't checked, but he also came second in the Danish Championship behind Nicki Pedersen, so maybe that was taken into account? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That'll be the meeting where Bjarne Pedersen WORLD NO.6 finished 7th. One off meetings like that can not be the criteria for selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemma Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 That'll be the meeting where Bjarne Pedersen WORLD NO.6 finished 7th. One off meetings like that can not be the criteria for selection. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did I say that it should be? I just suggested that maybe it had some bearing on the decision. Incidentally though, many people seem to be of the opinion that a one off meeting is the perfect way to decide the world champion, and if say the world number 7 got beaten on the night by someone who was a wild card, that would be tough luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 There is just no possible justification for the inclusion of Nicholls and Richardson at the expense of Andersen. Jeez, Subedei, you really do have something against the Brits don't you? "No possible justification for the inclusion of Nicholls....at the expense of Andersen." What about the fact that Scott finished 3 places higher in the series than Hans this year. Is that not reason enough? Richardson's inclusion is a little more contentious but he finished higher than Hans in a single GP this year and had a fantastic SWC. Those could be seen as justifications, even without considering the highly publicised problems he had early in the season which impacted his results. After the initial 4 choices, who were apparently easily agreed upon, it appears that the final 3 places have been given to the best 3 wildcards from this year......simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) As for being 25th in the league averages, maybe he is, I haven't checked, but he also came second in the Danish Championship behind Nicki Pedersen, so maybe that was taken into account? And Janusz Kolodziej is the Polish champion, so I don't think such things are taken into account, except when the need arises (British champion and consistent GP failure Nicholls, for example). He might be 16th in the GP series this season but that might be because he is the 16th best rider in thw World Assuming you mean next season (2006), if Iversen's 16th then he's worse than Chrzanowski. He finished 15th. To finish 16th means one of the one-off-GP wildcards has done better than him. Cant think who . Nicholls and Richardson for a start. All they've done to gain entry is be British. Edited October 23, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Absolutely gutted for Hans, I can't believe Zagar, Pepe or Niels can be nominated above him! I'll be cheering for Pepe at Cardiff without a doubt, but after a season of seeing him ride alongside Hans it's a laughable decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Absolutely gutted for Hans, I can't believe Zagar, Pepe or Niels can be nominated above him! I'll be cheering for Pepe at Cardiff without a doubt, but after a season of seeing him ride alongside Hans it's a laughable decision. Whilst I can understand your frustration at Hans missing out, I don't think that PePe should be the target of that frustration. In the UK, at Ipswich, Hans has been better than PePe, but in the other big leagues of Poland and Sweden, Hans has been inferior to PePe.....not to mention the fact that Poland were always going to get another entry to the series, and PePe is easily the best Pole outside of the series. What I can't understand is why Hans has been dropped for Puk...that's where the real debate should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) I think this has to be Pepe's last chance HenryW. I'd agree with you that, taking only league form (Polish, Swedish and UK) into account, Pepe is the best Pole after Gollob and Hampel, but he's never really done himself justice in the GPs. And with all the talent the Poles have coming through, I can't see him getting another chance. He's got to produce the goods this time. Edit: With Zagar in the circus, I wonder who gets Krsko's wild card in 2006? Maybe young Pavlic will be given a chance to increase awareness in Croatia. Edited October 23, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinstripe Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Time for three fresh faces and in Iversen and Zagar there are two young exciting prospects. In Pepe I think they made the wrong choice, Andersen should be in there instead of him. But I agree with Iversen and Zagar they made a pair of good choices. Two young exciting riders with excellent futures. I think people should write them off at their peril! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I think this has to be Pepe's last chance HenryW. I'd agree with you that, taking only league form (Polish, Swedish and UK) into account, Pepe is the best Pole after Gollob and Hampel, but he's never really done himself justice in the GPs. And with all the talent the Poles have coming through, I can't see him getting another chance. He's got to produce the goods this time. I can't argue with this summation by you. His previous GP performances have been a bit like his Ipswich form this year, very hit and miss....with far too many misses to be acceptable. However, I do genuinely think that the current format could be better for him than the previous knock-out one. He appears to be a rider who suffers a little under pressure, so having 5 races to deliver could be easier for him than having only 2. I hope (and expect) to see him making a good few semi-final appearances next season. Of course, he still has to deal with the one-off pressure once he makes the semi-finals.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 "No possible justification for the inclusion of Nicholls....at the expense of Andersen." What about the fact that Scott finished 3 places higher in the series than Hans this year. Is that not reason enough?Richardson's inclusion is a little more contentious but he finished higher than Hans in a single GP this year and had a fantastic SWC. Those could be seen as justifications. Andersen made finals, Nicholls didn't. And Nicholls hasn't since Sweden in 2003. Andersen, of course, won a GP in 2004. Andersen also had a good SWC and topped Denmark's averages in the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinstripe Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Give it a rest Subedei. Maybe BSI feel Andersen hasnt pulled up any trees over the past few years so they feel that another young Dane in Iversen deserves a chance. I think Iversen and Zagar will surprise a few, both are very professional with excellent machinery and are on the rise in the sport. One of Nicholls or Richardson should be slung out and Andersen should be in, preferably Richardson as he is the most boring rider ever. Had an awful year in the GP series and I bet he has another poor one this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button moon Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Why do people keep saying maybe hans is out because they want to give younger guys a chance? Andersen is 24 years old for crying out loud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 (edited) Why do people keep saying maybe hans is out because they want to give younger guys a chance? Andersen is 24 years old for crying out loud <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To select Iversen and Zagar ahead of Sullivan and Andersen is an absolute insult to two fine riders. Pepe maybe deserves a crack, but not surely on the back of further sponsorship of the series from Pentel, which is a major "reason" for his selection. Lets hope his back holds out and that he can be bothered to complete all nine rounds. Well Andersen's not happy! ANDERSEN BLASTS WILDCARD DECISION I'm sure he said a lot more but looks like the BSPA bottled it! Edited October 24, 2005 by FlyinRyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beauty Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I agree, Hans should be IN, but not to replace Zagar or Pepe. It was only a decision between Iversen and Hans.....in my opinion, that decision was made by Denmark and not FIM or BSI!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Absolutely gutted for Hans, I can't believe Zagar, Pepe or Niels can be nominated above him! Same here, LW. I am going in the garden to eat worms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleco Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Whats Zagar done to merit his position? same can be said of Zagar too, he has done NOTHING to justify his place expect one exceptional GP in his home land on his home track! What have S. Nichols and L. Richardson done this year? Nothing to deserve place in GP. I hope Matej can prove his talent next year in front of all mention riders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 (edited) Hans is not my favourite rider by a long way but i'm stunned by this decision - he should have got in ahead of all 3 riders - without doubt he was heading towards being a future world champion (dark side or no dark side)....time will tell as to whether this will affect him adversely or not On the flip side I am pleased that two of the younger guns have got a chance and Pepe is a very likeable rider but the token gesture by BSI is too late in the day and it is time that a proper qualifying system was brought back (ie one where everyone has to qualify except for the world champion) p.s. in defence of Scott no one can tell me that he wasn't one of the most entertaining, fastest and most consistent in the second half of the season - he may never be world champion but he will remain on the cusp for quite a while yet and if he sorts out his gating and self belief who knows? Edited October 24, 2005 by Splatty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Whilst I can understand your frustration at Hans missing out, I don't think that PePe should be the target of that frustration. In the UK, at Ipswich, Hans has been better than PePe, but in the other big leagues of Poland and Sweden, Hans has been inferior to PePe.....not to mention the fact that Poland were always going to get another entry to the series, and PePe is easily the best Pole outside of the series. What I can't understand is why Hans has been dropped for Puk...that's where the real debate should be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't get me wrong HenryW, I would have been very happy to see both Hans and Pepe in the GPs. Of these last 3 nominations I fully expect Pepe to finish the highest at the end of '06 but I can only go by what I've witnessed this season as I don't closely follow Polish or Swedish speedway. As stated above I find it hard to believe Pepe has the nod over Hans, the fact that Niels and Matej have as well is totally amazing. I fully expect to see Pepe on the rostrum in at least one GP next year(probably bydgoszcz). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Strange decesions but hey its speedway, and where Ole Olsen has a say then you sort of come to expect it! It was rumoured that Matej Zager would be there along with a Dane and a Pole but the two they have chosen is debatable....... Bjerre - was 1st reserve this year but is curently injured, which shouldn't be a factor in 2006. Andersen - has won a Gp before but failed to qualify for this year after being given a wild card for 2005. 1 strike and you are out it seems. Iversen - Done ok in the past when a wild card but struggled in the UK KK / Kolodziej / Miskowiak - All have time on their sides but not too consistant at present. Kosciecha / Walasek / Holta / Ulamek / Pepe - The "old school" so anyone could have got the nod. I would have thought that if it was due to sponsorship the Hans and Pepe would have been picked due to their deals with Meridan Lifts and Pentel. So one question, What sponsor will Iversen bring to the GP this year? Karl Ps this now makes Hans a more sort after property in the UK but maybe he will now want a better deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon j Mulford Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 To say that Iversen hasn't done anything in the UK this season is rubbish he's probably been Oxford most reliable rider this year putting in big scores most weeks. I also think it is good to put a few new riders in the GP next year, to have the same riders every year gets a bit boring, and riders that have been in it in the past Sullivan and Andersen in particular have been quite good for a while but you've still got the same riders winning these meeting so give someone else a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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