Bavarian Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I find this week's RED FLAG column in the Speedway Star very interesting and I agree 100% with the author. The current SWC competition as a 4-Team event is a big handicap for the general acceptence of Speedway's version of a World Cup tournament. It is not really team racing, but each man on his own. It really should be done as with all other major sports - Team versus Team - that's how it should be. And that is also what the casual spectator is used to from watching the Elite League matches on Sky. Even the one preparation match for the SWC was a match between GB and Australia and not a 4-Team event. With either six or eight teams involved the SWC tournament could be staged as a knock-out competition, or with a couple of groups of three or four teams, followed by semi-finals and a grand final. And yes, I would go for Red Flag's idea to stage the SWC just once every two years - with the other year for qualifying matches, involving the emerging nations. It would make this competition so much more prestigeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 The problem with making it a team event is that apert from the top 5 nations the other sides will be even less competitive than they are now. I agree with you in principal, but it just wouldn't work in reality. Who's going to watch Poland spank Germany or Sweden v Hungary for example? I do agree that the tournament shouldn't be every year. Bi-annualy or even every four years would add much more prestige to the tournament, and even Tony Rickardsson might try in it then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 It all sounds very nice and proper and footbally. Trouble is, if the host nation don't reach the final you have no crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richspeedway Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 You could say no one would watch Poland thrash the Germans in the group stages but how about other sports? Like Rugby in the World cup you have New Zealand beating people like Japan 100-0 and people still watch. I think some countries could use them meetings to try out there younger riders maybe put couple old heads in so shows the future of the nation. Think country v country would be good maybe have so many groups of nations but spaced out so the big nations are in seperate groups like a seeding. So say example you had 5 team in group you have 5 gradings so Sweden, GB, Poland etc be seeded 1 then you have Czechs etc seeded 2 and so on down. Then if Poland have to face Italy or Ukraine then they may use younger riders as to try them out. Think more nations would join it and also would help the lower nations as would get to ride against best riders and get experience and also the lower riders would get on tv to help them get sponsors and maybe if put solid performance in a ride for a club in Poland or here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 1 Nobody wants to stage the world cup as it is (hence the spread over three countries this year) 2 With 6-8 man teams even fewer nations would compete - either because of cost or lack of strength in depth (remember USA found 5 man teams too much and didn't take part last year) 3 too many matches not involving the host nation would be a financial risk However what I would like to see is a format that allows team racing so that every race involves two pairs of riders from two of the four participating countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 That's how it was at Coventry in 2000 I think. Having 2 from each side would be better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nobby nomad Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 How about doing it this way The top six teams qualify for the final - these SHOULD be England Sweden Denmark USA Poland Austrailia The teams would be seven riders There would be a week of qualifing meetings - each of nine heats with the following formula - the number seven being a non programmed reserve 1 2 1 2 3 4 3 4 5 6 5 6 1 2 3 4 3 4 5 6 5 6 1 2 1 2 5 6 3 4 1 2 5 6 3 4 The rota could be as follows Monday Eng v Swe Den v USA Pol v Aus Tueday Eng v USA Swe v Aus Pol v Den Wednesday Eng v Den Swe v Pol Aus v USA Thursday Eng v Aus Swe v Den Pol v USA Friday Eng v Pol Swe v USA Aus v Den These meetings could be run ht 1 of each, then ht 2 of each etc and every track would have a England meeting to promote. Then there could be two semi finals of the old 13 heat variety at the same track along with a 15 heat final intertwined with a 9 heat 3rd/4th place play off for the final. Could we not stage semi finals and final at Wimbledon? What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Why have 3 different heat formulae? Wimbledon's track is too small and narrow for such meetings. The Yanks can barely muster a 5 man team, nevermind 7. This also creates a closed shop, just like the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nobby nomad Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Why have 3 different heat formulae? Wimbledon's track is too small and narrow for such meetings. The Yanks can barely muster a 5 man team, nevermind 7. This also creates a closed shop, just like the GP's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I suggested qualifing for the final and saying these should be the teams The formula starts at only 9 heats to allows three matches to be in one and the home nation to be involved in all the qualifying meetings. Why Wimbledon? Because it is the best speedway stadium in the UK bar none. Non fans must laugh when they see us hold international events at tracks with no more than a garden shed for spectator cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richspeedway Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 another thing would be if there was group stages and that then it may take longer and that means the elite league would either have change fixtures or maybe the elite teams would have use there younger riders if they could not move fixture dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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