Subedei Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Ah well, it's repeated on Sky Sports Extra at 11:00pm. It does seems as if I might be in error and I'll verify that during the repeat. Anyway, it remains the case that neither race should've been stopped (apart from the unsatisfactory start in the Gollob-Stead heat) and no one excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 So who do you suggest then If it's who I think it is I'd rather he was in the commentary box, he is much more fun than the biased, shouting idiots we had there tonight <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just knew you were gonna ask that and I'm still thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Theres no way anyone can attach any blame to Stead for the Gollob incident. One or two people on here [ you and Rabbit ] seem to think it happened coming out of the second bend.It didnt<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apologies..I didn't pick up on the 2nd bend quote in Subedei's post. You're totally correct, it happened on the entrance to the 3rd bend and I wasn't apportioning blame to anyone - more reacting to the Pearson/Tatum hype that Gollob should have been excluded which was total garbage. It was a racing incident - Gollob was riding his outside line and Stead was totally unaware and switched from the inside right to the outside which he was entitled to do. No blame, no fault - just racing and Gollob did amazingly well to stay on. To talk of throwing Gollob out for dangerous riding was ridiculous and i expected more from the commentatiing team. Even Loram had a smile on his face when Keith Huewen was quoting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 OK, I say they were entering the third bend but I concede for your argument that it was the 1st or 2nd bend. Why should that be different if that was the case that the exiting the forth bend makes a difference, that the guy in front cannot chose his own racing line? Because the race hasn't settled down until the 3rd-4th turns in my view. However, it does appear that you are correct and that it was entering the 3rd bend. But anyway, as you'll be aware, I believe in racing incidents and if it was entering the 3rd turn it was a racing incident and since no one went down the race shouldn't have been stopped and no one excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Maybe I should of started a new thread on this topic, apologies for hi-jacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 The fact is, Gollob was in so much of a rush to get past Steady that he was undecided if he should go under him or round him Steady as the rider in front chooses his own line and it caught Gollob out. Rest assured as good as Gollob is and Poland was the best team if Steady had gone down Gollob would have been excluded period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Team GB were simply not good enough. Simple as that. Richardson rode well (still don't like him tho), Stead was IMO excellent considering his lack of experience at this level and Bomber did his best. Time IMO for a total change, forget the old guard, bring in more youngsters and while we are at it, ditch the one that never has any luck. I know it's sacrilege to say it on here but Middlo has to go. Change the manager, change the luck....who knows it might work. Give the job to someone who knows how it's done, knows how the rider feel and burst with patriotism.....Gary Havelock. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree with you there Star Lady but not sure about Havvy!!! Why is it that many British supporters feel the need to total demolish the hard work put in by our GB boys. Do you really think they went out there with the attitude that they wanted to come last. BUZZCOCKS they did! They went out there to bring home gold but it didnt happen. To every child that will get a B in a GCSE this year - you are a failure cause you should have got an A. To anyone taking their driving test for the second time next month - dont bother your a failure - shall I go on!.......... SCB you are not good enough to get on a bike and ride there Corny you are not good enough to get on a bike and ride there Stevehone you are not good enough to get on a bike and ride there Three examples I could name more.... None of you are - these 5 guys tonight were the ones chosen to ride for the Country -like it or lump it. And although they are not coming home with Gold I am proud of them . For some it will be their last opportunity and for others it is a learning curve to a very bright future I hope. Yes I am dissapointed and probably could point the finger but I will not do that. I will hold my banner high and say we are prouid of you TEAM GB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Rest assured as good as Gollob is and Poland was the best team if Steady had gone down Gollob would have been excluded period. Such a dreadful Americanism. Anyway, there was little chance of Stead going down. The only rider likely to have hit the deck would've been Gollob. And in that case, yes, Gollob should've been excluded as the primary cause of a stoppage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 I believe Great Britain have it within themselves to win. My belief is they will score 48 points for some reason. This figure sticks in my mind. I think all the teams are on a par with each other with all the riders being quite capable of beating each other on the whole. It is in the promoters interests to run a fair meeting and prepare the track for all the riders to perform at their best. With that thought in mind, may the best team win. I believe it will in fact be Great Britain the one least likely to succeed in most peoples eyes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This of course is the problem with your psychic powers. The natural thing to expect is that the outcome will be what you want it to be. As it was when the 'spirit' told me at the start of the season that 'Tony Rickardsson would be world champion this year and lay the 'ghost' of Ivan Mauger to rest. As it was at the beginning of each GP this year when I was told that Tony would win GP's which he did. And while we're on with it he will win next Saturday too. The 'spirit' also told me that Liverpool would win the Champions League this season. I turned the TV off at half time and said to the 'spirit' Looks like you're wrong this time'. The spirit simply said 'there is another half to play yet'. I did believe that GB had the capabilities to mix it with the teams riding there tonight. The dire performances of both the Swedes and the Danes was tesimony to that, with GB being equally as dire. I was expecting the 'spirit' to tell me who would win the meeting as it often does. As I said, 'My belief is they will score 48 points for some reason. This figure sticks in my mind'. Of course it was GB I was hoping would win by that figure. In fact 48 was the points number that Poland scored and with which they actually won the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 I'd love a chat with your "Spirit" sometime Mr C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Mr Clemens - would you oblige by forwarding me my lottery numbers for next week? For a small percentage of the winnings of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 well done poland they were way the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 To anyone taking their driving test for the second time next month - dont bother your a failure I passed first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 (edited) It's ok Rabbit i was just reacting to your earlier post where you said [ to subedei ] ' that's exactly how i saw it too ' . No hard feelings. I do agree with you both that no one should have been excluded for any of the incidents. Just racing. I just want to say Congratulations to Poland. They thoroughly deserved the win as they were the best team in the competition. I was also proud of team GB especially last sunday. Lee Richardson, Simon Stead and Chris Harris rode out of their socks.I also enjoyed seeing Scott Nicholls keep Andersen at the back in the last race.Some measure of sweet revenge for last year, i wondered if the commentators would pick up on it [ as Heuwen did ! ] Edited August 6, 2005 by Philip Addison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 With Sir Kelv chatting about dangerous riding and the races being stopped he made himself look a complete ermmmmm what can I call him politely here (you can fill that one in yourselves) in front of all watching on tv., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Such a dreadful Americanism. Lol. You know your so predictable. When you have lost the argument you start looking for isims or spelling mistakes. Keep it mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 I also enjoyed seeing Scott Nicholls keep Andersen at the back in the last race.Some measure of sweet revenge for last year, i wondered if the commentators would pick up on it. I'd hope that Nicholls isn't that petty. It's hardly "sweet revenge". First of all no one can prove Andersen did anything untoward and secondly the Danes were only going for silver, not gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 With Sir Kelv chatting about dangerous riding and the races being stopped he made himself look a complete ermmmmm what can I call him politely here (you can fill that one in yourselves) in front of all watching on tv., <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He just made me laugh when asked if he used to be any good at wheelies after winning. ' Yeaahh i was alright ' Yes ok Kelvin, like i can ever remember you doing wheelies and waving to the fans. I dont think soooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Scottie might not be, I sure am though, sweet revenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 I'd hope that Nicholls isn't that petty. It's hardly "sweet revenge". First of all no one can prove Andersen did anything untoward and secondly the Danes were only going for silver, not gold. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was quie a coincidence though that it came down to the last race and again it was Nicholls and Andersen. All it needed was PK too , lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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