Eastie Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I know you get elbows at the starts all the time but where do you draw the line? Surely the stoppage was caused by his actions . If people can get away with forearm smashes when they dont make the start, whats to stop anyone doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 If people can get away with forearm smashes when they dont make the start, whats to stop anyone doing it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> simple answer is....... nothing! maybe the ref didnt see it or something, i dont know. but anyone can do it, at the end of the day its their race they are risking and if they get thrown out of it then theres no one else to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingRacer05 Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Didnt he do that when the re-start happened as Holta fell off i think, as i think tonys actions caused it. We should all get used to the fact, Tony Rickardson does nothing wrong! He does whatever he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Have to laugh, we'd probably have been up to page 103 had it been Nicki Pedersen and not Trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Might be showing my age a bit now, but when I started going to speedway in the early 80's if a rider veered (sp?) to the left or right and halted another riders progress within 30mts of the start he was excluded (or should have been). As much as I like TRick that was bang out of order in heat 24 and he should have been thrown out of the race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 maybe the ref didnt see it or something, i dont know. Well he had the benefit of plenty of video footage to make a decision and he still got it wrong. he was scared to throw out Rickardsson on his home turf. Wuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason.C Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 after watching the footage i personally dont see what the big deal. at the end of the day, yes rickardsson did elbow hampel. thats racing. it happens. before anyone says it, im not taking TR side because im a poole fan. just the way i see it. ML- id say that ref has balls of steel if he dared to exclude the "wanna be" Pole Rune Holta when it should have been all 4 back...the Poles are not going to let that down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Well he had the benefit of plenty of video footage to make a decision and he still got it wrong. he was scared to throw out Rickardsson on his home turf. Wuss <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats what we all know happened i was trying to be positive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 However from what I remember the only footage we saw was from the side. Therefore how do we know that Hampel did not move into Tony making him stick out his elbows to protect his line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Dunno which channel you were watching it on but we got the benefit of side, front and rear footage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carcal Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I believe there were head on shots if you watched the replays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Still think Hampel attempted to lean on Tr as he tried to get the drop going into the first turn. Experienced as he is, TR reacted immediately and elbowed Hampel. All four back the correct decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Dunno which channel you were watching it on but we got the benefit of side, front and rear footage <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was watching Sky but I don't really remember the replays (too much shandy ). But if you say there were other angles I stand corrected. Naughty Trick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 after watching the footage i personally dont see what the big deal. at the end of the day, yes rickardsson did elbow hampel. thats racing. it happens. before anyone says it, im not taking TR side because im a poole fan. just the way i see it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rubbish - its not racing at all. If Trick had put the hammer down and passed him that would have been racing - instead he tried to elbow him out of the way. Mind you as a Poole fan you probably wouldnt recognise a racing incident if you saw one as you dont get much racing down your way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Having just watched it I reckon Rickardsson was lucky to stay in, no question the ref bottled it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Still think Hampel attempted to lean on Tr as he tried to get the drop going into the first turn. Experienced as he is, TR reacted immediately and elbowed Hampel. All four back the correct decision. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on, can't believe no one else noticed Hampel attempting to lean on him! The only thing that surprised me was how Trick managed to launch Hampel across the track so easily with such a relatively small nudge of the elbow. It's not like he took his hand off the handlebars and walloped him, he couldn't move his elbow more than a couple of inches without the handlebars or throttle turning and him wobbling / changing direction. Hampel must have been seriously off balance or Trick must have a bionic elbow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beercellar Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) Any way,trick got away with it AGAIN,is there not one ref out there,thats got the balls to exclude him,yeh hes a great rider,but there was no need for the elbowing,being leant on or not. Edited August 4, 2005 by beercellar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DartfordHammer Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I think the main problem is consistency. He had the gall to exclude Holta for something that was dubious at best, certainly not worth an exclusion, and yet doesn't take the same attitude with TRick after his elbow incident. Personally I thought it was all four back in, but because he excluded Holta he should have excluded Rickardsson for a worse offence. If he had put all four riders back in on both occasions, then I doubt so many people would be complaining. It was his inconsistency with the exclusion lights that caused the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iffoid Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I agree - taking into account the earlier decision it seemed obvious that Trick should have been excluded - he does seem to get away with quite a few dubious decisions when it comes to big occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 It just goes to show what pressure the Swedish team is under, when Rickardsson does something like this. Could not beleive that he was not excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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