Steve Shovlar Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Shocking conditions by the look of those photos. Suprise Tony Steele pushed it through, though his hands must have been tied by all those FIM officials present? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 (edited) The FIM rule say you only have to complete 50% of heat for the result to stand, they could NOT re-run it. Rule 070.11.4 of the Track Racing Appendices 070.11.3 Ties Individual Speedway and Ice Racing When establishing the order between the riders in the list of INTERMEDIATE results, ties will be solved as follows: a) Precedence will be given to the riders (tied on points) having the most number of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (5th or 6th where applicable) placings (an “0” for last placing being better than M-R-F-T-d-N). If the tie still persists and involves only 2 riders, precedence will be given to the best placed rider in the heat where the 2 riders met. c) If the tie still persists and involves more than 2 riders, it shall be checked wether there is a possibility to determine a proper precedence (i.e. 3 riders tied on points: A, B, C: rider A has beaten rider B rider A has beaten rider C rider B has beaten rider C Then the precedence will be: best position for rider A, then rider B and then rider C. d) If solutions a), and c) cannot be used, the order shall be determined by ballot. Seems the rules were adhered to. Well Done KK. Edited September 17, 2005 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Madness, just madness... Single a coin, haha so sick. Mr Steele was maybe tied?! but he must act as a professional and not do as the FIM officials says or thinks. This is a black day for speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badge wearer Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 feel sorry for riders who worked hard and spent lot of money to get there and also the club.the referee should NOT have run this meeting doent matter what his name is by looking at pics and report this is not how a WORLD champ. should be run remember these guys have only a couple chances at this title.the referee should feel ashamed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 feel sorry for riders who worked hard and spent lot of money to get there and also the club.the referee should NOT have run this meeting doent matter what his name is by looking at pics and report this is not how a WORLD champ. should be run remember these guys have only a couple chances at this title.the referee should feel ashamed.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The referee should feel ashamed for adhering to the rule book should he? Can you confirm that I understand you correctly there, bearing in mind that it is clear from the excerpt posted above by SCB more than an hour prior to your post that that is indeed what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Let this be a lesson to all the riders there on Saturday. Judging by the photos,this meeting should not have even started.After they had all taken a ride each,why didnt they stick together,and force a meeting with the referee?Fair play to Lindback for expressing his views (as has been mentioned elswhere on this thread).Why were the others not there supporting him? The riders are the ones who have to put their necks on the line,not the FIM or referee.Utter lunacy in my book to continue.I dont care what pressure you are put under,YOUR LIFE has to be your number one concern. If they had ALL stuck together,this meeting would not have reached the point of no return.(See SCB reply).The whole meeting being rerun,although inconvenient to most people and riders,was the only sensible solution. It does appear that the referee followed the rule book to determine the the Rostrum placings etc. However,he didnt appear to follow the most important rule of all....COMMON SENSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 A good post BobC and thanks to SCB for posting the rule book. In the past we have seen riders grouping together to force the issue on dangerous conditions (Swedish GP). Perhaps being young they didn't have the nerve, or ability to get themselves organised in a way to bring proceedings to a halt. certainly looking at the pictures the meeting should never have gone ahead. Lindback went and spoke to the ref, buut his words fell on deaf ears. Perhaps is he had been backed up for 10 other riders, he would have had more luck. I should imagine Antonio is absolutely gutted this morning at missing out. Same goes for Hlib and Lindgren, who were also in the mix. but it's not like KK wasn't winning the meeting. A shame he wasn't clear at the top as well, because then there would be less of an argument on here about the validity of winning. If balloting was used, its the worst way to win it, even if you were best on the day. Commiserations to Suchanek, who showed yesterday he has more skill and ability than Poole fans saw this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Well done to all the British riders, good experience for the future, and next years competition. Nice to see so many of you have been talking about them, opposed to the foreigners in your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 The referee should feel ashamed for adhering to the rule book should he? Can you confirm that I understand you correctly there, bearing in mind that it is clear from the excerpt posted above by SCB more than an hour prior to your post that that is indeed what happened. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe you misread the post.I took it to mean the meeting should not have started(SCB's post had nothing to do with the start only the finish).Which seems to be confirmed by the photo's and people that were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Fair play to Lindback for expressing his views (as has been mentioned elswhere on this thread).Why were the others not there supporting him? Well, we don't know the full story of this. Perhaps the riders elected Lindback, as the most high-profile (GP star), to act as their spokesperson. Lindback may have carried the news that none of the riders were satisfied with conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Maybe there is a case for a riders union official to be present,assuming some of these riders are in unions. Seems to be a difference between this and the Euro Grasstrack final.Both of which were chaotic because of the weather.In the grasstrack a lot of riders refused to carry on,but at least Paul Hurry won the title on the track(and was congratulated by all that i have seen) after the meeting was delayed a day.I do think the rule should at least be changed so that if the title was going to have a "final" then the 4 top scorers should be given a chance to ride,then even if one,maybe two refuse the title could be decided on the track.If out of the four only one is willing to ride then i think they shouldn't award the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badge wearer Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 The referee should feel ashamed for adhering to the rule book should he? Can you confirm that I understand you correctly there, bearing in mind that it is clear from the excerpt posted above by SCB more than an hour prior to your post that that is indeed what happened. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what i meant was that not one heat should have been run in those conditions full stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) Just got home from a wet weekend.....well doen to all riders who took part and yes it was pretty awful to watch, glad i wasn't on a bike meself great company made up for it, thanks Mr Smolinski Sr....and family, not forgetting the crew I travelled with, cheers guys Edited September 18, 2005 by full-throttle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the rebel Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 KK IS SIMPLEY THE BEST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 KK IS SIMPLEY THE BEST All hail the world under-21 coin tossing champion Krzysztof Kasprzak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Subedei you are being over harsh on Kasprzak. He was joint leader when proceedings came to a halt. If he was clear leader would you be saying the same? The chances are he would have seen off Suchanel when they met. Not definately but most likely. From what I have heard he looked the best rider on show and so regardless of the rules, the right rider won it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I feel sorry for Kasprzak. He'd have been a worthy winner. But he didn't win. In his position, I'd have refused the prize. And now, due to the incompetence of Steele and the FIM, he will always be seen as the "illegitimate" champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Let this be a lesson to all the riders there on Saturday. Judging by the photos,this meeting should not have even started.After they had all taken a ride each,why didnt they stick together,and force a meeting with the referee?Fair play to Lindback for expressing his views (as has been mentioned elswhere on this thread).Why were the others not there supporting him? The riders are the ones who have to put their necks on the line,not the FIM or referee.Utter lunacy in my book to continue.I dont care what pressure you are put under,YOUR LIFE has to be your number one concern. If they had ALL stuck together,this meeting would not have reached the point of no return.(See SCB reply).The whole meeting being rerun,although inconvenient to most people and riders,was the only sensible solution. It does appear that the referee followed the rule book to determine the the Rostrum placings etc. However,he didnt appear to follow the most important rule of all....COMMON SENSE. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Top four should of been in a final, if any refused then they finished last, but if they didnt agree then they would loose their chance, but in hindsight the meeting should have been put back a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I see most, if not all, of Poland's finalists are scheduled to ride in the Polish pairs championship (club) at Wroclaw this evening. Perhaps that's why the authorities were so eager to complete the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) not the way to win any title , but it will be in the record books as kk WHO IS THE UNDER 21 CHAMPION for 2005 and where are the pics from this meeting ?? Edited September 18, 2005 by PTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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