SwineTown Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) same old same old - loads of great U18s some excellent young PL 2nd strings but mostly brave old battlers who plug away, life and soul of the party, good lad etc. We respect noble losers too much. World champs LIVE and ACT like world champs - work hard, dont drink much if at all, eat well, train hard, keep fit, ride loads and invest wisely in gear. Too many bright young things turn into beer monsters alongside fading old dudes and hang out in the bar. Riders should be serious, professional high-performance ATHLETES. Not fat, overweight, hung over, smokers who find it all a bit tiring. Rico and Scott still have time and tbh Lee has looked unbeatable around the Abbey (3 consecutive max??) Made Mr Clean look human (almost). Otherwise its Roynon, Kyle, Billy, etc - a long wait - and a lot can happen. Edited July 9, 2005 by SwineTown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan_and_Eagles_Fan Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Of course there will be an english world champion one day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) Just as man will one day walk on Mars. Bound to happen eventually, but who knows when? More to the point, when will we win 3 in a row and be the envy of the speedway world rather than a laughing stock? Edited July 9, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 World champs LIVE and ACT like world champs - work hard, dont drink much if at all, eat well, train hard, keep fit, ride loads and invest wisely in gear.Too many bright young things turn into beer monsters alongside fading old dudes and hang out in the bar. Riders should be serious, professional high-performance ATHLETES. Not fat, overweight, hung over, smokers who find it all a bit tiring. And there we have it........ the way to the top. Well said Swine Town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Very true. How dedicated are our top guys to their cause? Do they devote their entire lives to becoming world champion? On the whole, I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) So we won't have any riders in the GP for the next 5 years, where Scott Nicholls going? He may not be in the top 8 for an automatic place but he is certainly one of the best 15 riders in the World so will get a place because of BSI nomination. Does anyone honestly think Scott is not GP standard and that there is another riderwho's not in the GPs that would do better than him? Well I think tnoght showed he is a GP rider and I see no reason why he will not still be in the GP's in the ext 5-10 years time while we wait for the next kid to get there. Simple answer. Yes. And who? Lewis Bridger. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lewis Bridger, yeah right!! David Howe had an 11+ CL average in 1997, he only droped points to punctures and broke chains. I'm sure one or two riders beat him, look at him now, a PL second string/heatleader with little chance of being World Champion and slightly better chance of being in the GP's Otherwise its Roynon, Kyle, Billy, etc - a long wait - and a lot can happen.Please tell em you don't mean Billy Legg?! Yes he is a reasonable rider, a 5.5 CL rider in his second season but see what I have just said about David Howe. If he was going to be a GP rider (not even World Champ), he'd be in the PL by now. He might one day ride in the EL but realistically, Pl heatleader at best, not that it's a bad thing. I'm sorry but right now NO rider looks like a future World Champion, we have no Under 21 rider who is riding in the EL as a heatleader, that said, it's not impossible, who realistically thought Loram would be World Champion until 1999/2000-ish? Even then it was not that likely until it really happened. With regards to James Wright, he seems to be a sensible kid who does not drink and keeps himself in reasonable condition but it's too early to tell if he is a likely World Champion. Edited July 9, 2005 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) Well I think tnoght showed he is a GP rider and I see no reason why he will not still be in the GP's in the ext 5-10 years time while we wait for the next kid to get there. Did it? It showed he is capable in the qualification heats, but he came a cropper in the semis. And you need to be hitting the finals. I don't want to be nasty, but what is it now, 50 GPs since the last British winner? Edited July 9, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Why do you need to be hitting the finals to get a GP place, I thought u had to be in the top 15 riders in the World. Are you seriously claiming Scott is not one of the top 15 riders in the World? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Why do you need to be hitting the finals to get a GP place, I thought u had to be in the top 15 riders in the World. Are you seriously claiming Scott is not one of the top 15 riders in the World? I'd say there's more than 15 riders better than Lindback, but Lindback's making finals pretty regularly this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGE2004 Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 The BSPA have the responsibility to assist clubs developing young British talent, on and off the track. Perhaps if they spent less time trying to make up silly new rules every week and more time actually looking at the state of the sport in this conutry then Britain might just get somewhere. Promoters are more interested in their club winning than the sport as a whole, and if that means stunting the development of a younger rider just to win a meeting or 2 they will. You only have to look at Coventry as an example of what happens if you persevere as Harris was pretty poor last season, but given support on and off the track he is flying at the moment. Too much short sighted thinking in British speedway, not enough planning for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 That's it, in a nutshell. Welcome to the club, SGE2004! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Until we devote more time in developing a youngsters and encouraging them, that means promoters and fans alike, we are never going to develop future champs. This is going to take a long time and thones that are 15 and under are the ones that I think have the greatest chance, but I do get the feeling reading some threads that people will put them down at the nearest opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanisnumber1 Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I think the BSPA have got to nurture riders such as Lewis Bridger, Josh Auty and make sure they get the treatment and devoted time which has helped riders such as Lindback and Hampel get to where they are!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I think the BSPA have got to nurture riders such as Lewis Bridger, Josh Auty and make sure they get the treatment and devoted time which has helped riders such as Lindback and Hampel get to where they are!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is not just the Lindback and the Hampel in there countries who get the encouragement , but I agree we need to encourage the special cases like Josh and Lewis, but there are many more who you could add to the list. The name I will give is Ben Hopwood, I say Ben as he is somebody who I have seen ride, but a plenty more, we need to start looking into getting them sponsors and backers so that we keep them in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Krzysztof Kasprzak is top of Poole's averages and he has an average of 8.46 for Leszno in the Ekstra Liga. But he rides at No 7 for Leszno and will do for the rest of the season. Janusz Kolodziej has an average of 7.71 for Tarnow in Poland and he rides at No 7 for them and he will do for the rest of the season. Both those riders are programmed for just 1 ride in each Ekstra Liga meeting, but can replace any rider during the rest of the programme up to a total of about 6 rides. They're young, good and Polish, so the authorities help them by creating a rule whereby a good young Pole can remain at No 7 in the team no matter what his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I have to say that with the limited knowledge I have of it, the Polish system does seem geared toward developing young Poles, as opposed to the British system, which seems to want to develop youngsters of all nationalities bar the Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I have to say that with the limited knowledge I have of it, the Polish system does seem geared toward developing young Poles, as opposed to the British system, which seems to want to develop youngsters of all nationalities bar the Brits. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If your referring to Poole you are right but their are some teams that have the youngsters riding 2nd halfs. Eastbourne attract riders from all over the country to ride the 2nd halfs and it astounds me that their are not more tracks doing it . Not all the kids can afford the transport costs. No wonder there is only a few coming through the ranks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 (edited) James Wright <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeh, looked like it on friday night too bomber harris, next british world champ! Edited July 10, 2005 by Cornishman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Sub Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Krzysztof Kasprzak is top of Poole's averages and he has an average of 8.46 for Leszno in the Ekstra Liga. But he rides at No 7 for Leszno and will do for the rest of the season.Janusz Kolodziej has an average of 7.71 for Tarnow in Poland and he rides at No 7 for them and he will do for the rest of the season. Both those riders are programmed for just 1 ride in each Ekstra Liga meeting, but can replace any rider during the rest of the programme up to a total of about 6 rides. They're young, good and Polish, so the authorities help them by creating a rule whereby a good young Pole can remain at No 7 in the team no matter what his average. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree with this. I think we do still produce some good youngsters but its from when they show top level promise to taking that to the highest levels when our guys seem to lose it, whereas in other countries they are developed even further in the way Subedei describes. Good example - World U21 a couple or three years ago 1. Hampel 2. Harris - Hampel now top 8 in world, Harris only just establishing himself in UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Agree with this. I think we do still produce some good youngsters but its from when they show top level promise to taking that to the highest levels when our guys seem to lose it, whereas in other countries they are developed even further in the way Subedei describes. Good example - World U21 a couple or three years ago 1. Hampel 2. Harris - Hampel now top 8 in world, Harris only just establishing himself in UK. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats cos he had a bad year when he joined the wrong club for him. as it happened, in the long run, it turned out to be a good choice and we can only thank the bees for the time and money they have allowed chris. its no secret that he had a bad time, but now is having a very good time. it wont be long before he's challenging the top riders now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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