leighrico Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Come on have faith in Rico you guys !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 You have a valid point about the variety of tracks in this country. But is it an advantage when we open our league to all-comers?Look at Poland. After the fall of the Berlin Wall the Polish clubs attracted the best riders in the world, but over the years the authorities there have ensured that the number of foreigners has been whittled away. Now, Polish clubs have 1 or 2 foreign riders, and only 1 rides in a given meeting (unless the other rides under a Polish licence). The initial influx has served its purpose. The sport is popular and young riders are coming through the ranks like no tomorrow. The Polish clubs now want the best, but not the rest, yet we have foreign riders on 4, 5 and 6 point averages. Why aren't we doing as well? Probably because we don't care enough. And we love having Poles, Danes and Swedes riding in the league. Hell, we probably cheer for them in the GPs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> and that is in their top league.....let alone their 2nd and junior class it has been obvious for many years that there is little regard for anything other than short term gains and much has been played on in PR about 'exciting overseas riders' when they are no more exciting than ours - now I feel things have reached such a pitch that every generation that comes along will find it harder and harder to crack the top level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 and that is in their top league.....let alone their 2nd and junior class it has been obvious for many years that there is little regard for anything other than short term gains and much has been played on in PR about 'exciting overseas riders' when they are no more exciting than ours - now I feel things have reached such a pitch that every generation that comes along will find it harder and harder to crack the top level <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SDpot on Splatty, Elite Promoters are all too quick to replace young British riders with foreign imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeesFan Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Come on have faith in Rico you guys !!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dont think Lee will ever been good enough,If hes not sick his engines are. And if he misses the gate(gating being his best asset)he doent have the killer instinct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Come on have faith in Rico you guys !!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Classic quote! The funniest I have read since Lanzilla's comment about "all it taking to stop production at Cowley in the old days being a cup of tea and a digestive" when rain stopped production a couple of weeks back. Lee must be no more than 50-50 to even be taking part after this series, let alone winning it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 To illustrate the different attitudes, below is a quote from a Wroclaw supporter at Live Updates. I commented that Lindback had made a decent enough score in his first outing for Wroclaw in the Ekstra Liga. This was the reply: Lindback pretty good showing? Foreigner must make 10 points over in Polish league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Come on have faith in Rico you guys !!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well it seems nobody believes hes capable im afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony159 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Shouldnt this topic be in the Conference League Thread ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Shouldnt this topic be in the Conference League Thread ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 (edited) Sorry, but if Nicholls isn't yet in the top drawer, Rico is further adrift and Loram won't hit the same heights again. If this is the British 1-2-3, we're in a poor state for competing with the world. If Nicholls and Rico aren't good enough to make it, who will be up there in a year or two? Consider this - of the current leading speedway nations, all except Britain and Poland have one rider who has won at least one championship and is capable of repeating the feat: Sweden - Rickardsson Australia - Crump Denmark - Pedersen USA - Hancock The killer is that most have up-and-coming riders beneath them who will form the next generation of success, and Poland is certainly looking good to have riders up there to replace Gollob soon. Where are our lads? Unless Stead, Kennett and co don't make very rapid headway and break into the GP circus darn quickly we'll be frozen out entirely. Frankly, the next 2-4 years don't look at all promising for us. This should be setting alarm bells ringing somewhere...but I don't see any evidence of that at all. Edited July 7, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 While i agree with most of what you say Andy,i can't see Hancock winning again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Nor can I - but if he can still get into the top 3, he's capable of winning it if other riders fail to deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 So there is still hope for our boys then,under those circumstances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JC! Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Think the one thing that British Speedway needs is a multiple world champion. If you look at the countries who have had the most individual championship wins, these are boosted greatly by multiple champs. These countries have also seen a boost in speedway popularity as a result of the successes. If you look at the success that Darts has had as a result of Phil Taylors championship wins, this is accentuated by many potential fans latching on to a winner, whilst an almost proportionate level want to see one of the 'Davids' beat the 'Goliath'. You only need to look at the live gate info for Premier League Darts for proof of the current health enjoyed by the game. Mark Loram and Peter Collins got their respective balls rolling by winning one title, but only sustained success can win the hearts and minds the floating fans, former fans, and potential new fans which will lead the sport into a new golden era in GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comebackkings Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Its a simple solution, only allow foreign riders to have an 8 point or more average. That will cut the cheap dross that is blocking the leagues for the British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Not sure i agree.Despite Nicki Pedersen's win and being at the Danish GP it is amazing how popular he is,that popularity hasn't made league racing in Denmark any more popular.In fact the Danish authorities were very disappointed last season.It just seems the fans turn up once a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 (edited) Think the one thing that British Speedway needs is a multiple world champion. If you look at the countries who have had the most individual championship wins, these are boosted greatly by multiple champs. These countries have also seen a boost in speedway popularity as a result of the successes. If you look at the success that Darts has had as a result of Phil Taylors championship wins, this is accentuated by many potential fans latching on to a winner, whilst an almost proportionate level want to see one of the 'Davids' beat the 'Goliath'. You only need to look at the live gate info for Premier League Darts for proof of the current health enjoyed by the game. Mark Loram and Peter Collins got their respective balls rolling by winning one title, but only sustained success can win the hearts and minds the floating fans, former fans, and potential new fans which will lead the sport into a new golden era in GB. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Entirely agree. We've never had anyone to dominate the sport like a Rickardsson, Mauger, Fundin, Briggs, Gundersen or Nielsen. Quite amazing, really - our top riders have been unlucky with injury, proved to be flaky or are not sufficiently committed to repeat or expand on any triumphs. This is one reason why I suggested that a sports psychologist might help. Edited July 7, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Yes Britian will have another World Champion one day, so long as Young riders get enough sponsership and backing to progress up through the three leagues. It may not happen for a little while though. Out of the current young British riders, who has the ability to make it to GP's? Simon Stead? Chris Harris? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd love to see Steady as the next champion, but has he got it in him? Most of the Brits are great in the EL and beat the riders in the GP, but nerves must get to them on the big stage. Give it 10 or 15 years and we'll be seeing Auty as the Champion. Until then, we can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Steve Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 The killer is that most have up-and-coming riders beneath them who will form the next generation of success, and Poland is certainly looking good to have riders up there to replace Gollob soon. Where are our lads? Unless Stead, Kennett and co don't make very rapid headway and break into the GP circus darn quickly we'll be frozen out entirely. Frankly, the next 2-4 years don't look at all promising for us. This should be setting alarm bells ringing somewhere...but I don't see any evidence of that at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont think its fair to say there is no evidence.... What do you think we are working for with the U15s We all know we will have a queit time but there are some good lads about and Ed kennett has shown in the test match he has class also when going to Wimbledon have been impressed by young Danny Betson. Lewis Bridger has a great future as does the top riders in the U15s as long as they are given the chances in the PL and EL and Peter Oakes is allowed to develope these lads. Why are overseas riders allowed to double up????? this should be for BRITISH RIDERS ONLY. Also second rate overseas riders who are given chances time and time again also help with Vans accomadation etc while our lads are just left to fight there way on there own.????? never understand that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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