Liontamer Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Ah well, that's the finish to the most boring world championship ever. Who really gives a toss what happens from now on? Roll on 2006, let's hope it's a bloody site more exciting than this years yawnfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well thats it then Tony World Champion  BOring now till the finish.  Points is an issue needs sorting out as i have said before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjoe Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Well i dont know about the entertainment on the track (which was good to be fair) but the best entertainment was tony millard. lol "the last chance salon" well crumpy does need a haircut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Regarding points, it's surely criminal that TG makes the semis but only finishes with 1 more point than Andreas Jonsson and Leigh Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 lionatamer totally agree. Bring on 2006. Still say Tony has an over sized engine. if was that good he would ride British speedway he has reduce meeting just to win the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) Regarding points, it's surely criminal that TG makes the semis but only finishes with 1 more point than Andreas Jonsson and Leigh Adams. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your point being? If it's the top 8 finishers who go into the semis, a miss is as good as a mile! 1 point is all it takes. Could be a dead heat decided on countback, that's the rules. lStill say Tony has an over sized engine. if was that good he would ride British <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you have evidence over and above the observations of the machine inspectors, Bernie? Better submit your proof now if you want to start the biggest scandal in speedway history! Alternatively, keep it to yourself and congratulate the best rider of 2005. Edited July 9, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 "& there's Phil Crump looking excited"! Looking excited? Looked to me like he'd just licked a dog turd. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Cheers LT, I've only just managed to get back on my chair after reading that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Still say Tony has an over sized engine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Oh for goodness sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) My point, although I'd have thought it was obvious, is that you should get something for making the semis. When the aggregate points are calculated after this GP, 8 points will be added to Adams' and Jonsson's scores and 9 points to TG's. But he made the semi. And finished 3rd in the semi. Edited July 9, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 (edited) Still don't agree with arbitrary awards of points, myself. What you win on the track in the semis should be reward enough, and indeed in the final too. Edited July 9, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressed Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Congratulations again to Tony, he is the master of Speedway and everyone else needs to raise their game to catch up otherwise this year will be repeated next year as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 All depends on how motivated TR is for next year. He's raised his game this season, that's for sure. But will he have the same determination and focus next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 2 GP's now I where I ahve had money on 3 riders, all 3 riders have made the final. Both bloody times Tony goes and wins and ruins my fun. I hate the guy  He really is awesome, I remeber about 2001ish he went thought a period of being unbeatable and I remember saying he was a machine but he is a million times better now. He is making Crumpy and Pedersen look poor.  Even whe Tony has a poor meeting (12 points from 5 then a 2nd in the semis followed by a win = poor!!! ) he is too good for the rest.  All Tony has to do is score as many as Crumpy (or more) in the next GP and not let Nicki score too many more and he's World Champion, WOW, now someone tell me, honestly that he is not the greatest speedway rider ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I know you all do not agree but wait and see. Pencya chassis do not make that amount of difference  Still think the points are not right. Semi Finalist need to gain more points. Go back to the cut and thrust of last year will make all riders race for points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 My point, although I'd have thought it was obvious, is that you should get something for making the semis.When the aggregate points are calculated after this GP, 8 points will be added to Adams' and Jonsson's scores and 9 points to TG's. But he made the semi. And finished 3rd in the semi. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And? He made the semis by scoring one more point than AJ and Adams so only deserves one more point. Â Personally, I think it's wrong the riders int he final get so many points. Why do we need a final and a semi-final? 16 riders having 5 heats each, they meet each other rider once, so the top scorer is the one who has beat the others the most, why doesn't he win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Yes I appreciate that, but the question is why Jawas should suddenly become uncompetitive in GPs, particularly since they are at least the equal of GMs in EL? What is Guiseppe doing differently?! Â But are they equal in the Elite League? Neither Crump, nor Adams, has looked at their best in the Elite League this season. They're atop the averages, for sure, but aditionally, the Elite League isn't about power circuits in the way the GPs are. At places like Wroclaw, Krsko, Prague and Bydgoszcz you need speed. And Crump and Adams don't seem to have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 All depends on how motivated TR is for next year.He's raised his game this season, that's for sure. But will he have the same determination and focus next season? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â A good point, that, until next year can't be answered. Â My guess is that yes he will, regardless of how often he denies it, he clearly wants the record from Mauger, and I also suspect he will want to go out on the top of his game so I don't imagine he will be around in the GP series at least, for too many more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I know you all do not agree but wait and see. Pencya chassis do not make that amount of difference  And nor do Penske frames. But the rider makes a hell of a lot of difference. And TR is the difference, not his frames or his engines, good as they may well be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 If it was a straight 20 heats OUR SCOTTY WOULD OF WON. I do beleive though you would have seen many different races. Trying to gain as many points as poss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 The engines are so different once a tuner gets it for the top boys, that the original manufacterer is irrelevant. It only makes a difference to the lower riders. the top tuners take so much out of an engine and replace it that Gollobs engine is no longer a GM, just a speedway engine with a GM case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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