Rob B Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 What a terrible gate to pick Crumpy, it should of been red definatly!!! Like Chris Louis said, he probably thought because he'd won twice of it he could do it again, but the track was different then. Well they might as well give Rickardsson the trophy now and start a new mini championship for the second half of the series. Definatly don't like the new system, it's quite boring upto heat 17 when it gets interesting to see who is going to make the top 8 and then the semi's and final. The old system kept you on the edge of your seat a lot more and the same riders would still be dominating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Yes, and we haven't heard too much about the Brits he claims to be supporting! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was certainly here cheering them on, both lets be honest both are not good enough to really compete and make silly mistakes with over riding. Sad that Lee went out when he had every chance of making the semi though. Not a Sullivan fan ( only when he rides for Poole), but I am a Lindback fan and also Bjarne to a lesser extent ( who had a nightmare). I was hoping for a one two in the final but a one three is good enough! Lets face it. Its just great being a Poole fan at the moment. Young Lindback, showing riders of more experience just how to do it. And long may it continue! And Crump, sinking faster than Belle Vue's season. Off for a drink to celebrate. UP THE PIRATES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) The only real difference between last year and this year, is that you get hammered for not making the finals. You fight to make the semis, but if you go out in the semis, you get nothing. That HAS to be addressed. Edited June 25, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 no i like this system , no shutting off for better gates fo me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Well they might as well give Rickardsson the trophy now and start a new mini championship for the second half of the series. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What's the point? Tony would win that as well! I think riders should get points for the semi. 3-2-1-0, which add to their scores, and give them something for making the semi if they bow out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Rob, it's basically the same format that served us so well for many years, with semis and a final tacked on. Personally I'd lose the extra races and award the GP to the top points scorer, but that seems to be heretical these days. For the record, I hated the old GP format too. Much fairer and more interesting to let every rider have their 5-ride allocation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Totally disagree. This year it's absolutely fantastic. The racing has been brilliant, Lindback is breaking through big style, the old guard are fading, and best of all TRick is going to equal Maugers record and next year beat it. Crump is now a lame duck champion and was never at the races. TRick would have won every single GP if it wasn't for Pedersens move on Bjarne. Great stuff tonight and Poole fans are happy as Larry. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve, please don't think my post is sour grapes. I honestly think TRick is the best rider by far, but I'm a massivespeedway fan & even though tonight produced some fantastic racing I've now totally lost interest in this years world championship because it's all done & dusted at the halfway stage. I love speedway & I've been looking forward to tonights meeting all day, but I've lost interest now & really can't be bothered if I watch the rest of the GP's or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappy Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) And Crump, sinking faster than Belle Vue's season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Deary me, I was about to quote you and agree with a previous post for the first time in a year (ish) of reading and (a lesser time) of posting on this forum, but then you couldn't resist a dig at the Aces could you . I feel sorry for you, really I do. But it'll pass Edited June 25, 2005 by cappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Well done tony another superb display. Does Lindback save his best bikes for the gps, certainly looks like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) Well, no one pays much attention, but here are my thoughts about tonight's GPers and their performances: L Adams: Pretty dreadful really. Looks like the new – allegedly heading for the exit – super-tuner hasn’t worked the magic expected. H Andersen: Made the semis, but will be disappointed with the manner of his exit. T Chrzanowski: Hasn’t disgraced himself in the GPs this season, but was pretty woeful tonight. J Crump: Has looked off the pace all season. Was very hard on young Hampel and made a huge error in picking gate 3 in the semi. He’s out of the running for the title now and needs to make changes. T Gollob: Dire. J Hampel: He rode well enough and deserved his place in the semis. G Hancock: A welcome return to GP form for Hancock. Apart from a 1st race duck, he was superb all night. Might have been excluded when he clashed with Nicki P, but wasn’t. N K Iversen: Was always in the middle of the action. Might have made the semis, but didn’t. His time will come. Was certainly entertaining, if a little erratic. A Jonsson: Made the semis. A Lindback: Another super GP display from the young fellow. And no real start line calamities, in spite of malfunctioning tapes. Finished 3rd and deserved it. S Nicholls: A little unlucky, but pretty hopeless. B Pedersen: Disappointing in Wroclaw, good in Eskilstuna, disappointing in Krsko, good in Cardiff and now disappointing in Copenhagen. Being Danish he’ll be disappointed, but he didn’t ride at all well tonight. Should console himself with the prospect of his run continuing with a good showing in the “Golden City”. N Pedersen: Will be hugely disappointed with a last in the final. L Richardson: Probably his best GP showing of the season, but it just isn’t good enough. I can’t see him being around next year. T Rickardsson: Fantastic, awesome, amazing, brilliant and lots of other words I can’t think of. R Sullivan: Pretty hopeless, really. The track was a bit of a lottery and the racing pretty dreary and the starting gate fiasco plain embarrassing. Edited June 26, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappy Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 A BIG well done to all the finalists but especially TRick, obviously. Apart from his obvious talents, his bike is so good!!! His mechanic team deserve serious respect too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Hampel did Crump a massive favour by staying on the bike then. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes he did ,should have came off and got crump excluded.That was definately dirty riding he left him no room at all, and new exactly what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 the old guard are fading, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes it's great to see the new up an coming stars like Rickardsson,Crump,Pedersen,Adams and Hancock making the top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I, too, like the new format, it's better for the riders and every point/placing IS important. It's certainly looking like Tony's year if nothing untoward happens to him, hats off to him I suppose. He's on tip top form that's all you can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 (edited) Yes it's great to see the new up an coming stars like Rickardsson,Crump,Pedersen,Adams and Hancock making the top 8 And with his Bydgoszcz "banker" still to come, there's a chance Gollob will still be in the top 8 come season end. Making the final in this system has a disproportionate effect. Look at Hampel, he's missed 2 GPs but is there or thereabouts. If you get to a final it catapults you up the order and a win is even better. If he can get his usual 25 points at Bydgoszcz that should be good enough for TG. Edited June 25, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlivefrankie Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 thought this was at a best an average meeting... and me a life long fan lost interest half way through not sure what this means tho' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 One thing is becoming increasingly clear and that is, that if there's to be a British rider in the series next season, it'll be an act of charity by BSI and the FIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 2005 DANISH GRAND PRIX Saturday 25th June @ Parken, Denmark. WINNER = Tony Rickardsson yet again ! LINE UP 0 -2 -1 -1 -1 = 5= ; 1 Ryan SULLIVAN (13) 3 -0 -1 -2 -0 = 6= ; 2 Lee RICHARDSON (11) 2 -0 -3 -E -2 = 7= ; 3 Leigh ADAMS (4) 1 -0 -1 -1 -0 = 3= ; 4 Bjarne PEDERSEN (10) 1 -3 -2 -2 -2 = 10= 1st ; 18 5 Antonio LINDBACK (14) 3 -2 -0 -3 -3 = 11= 2nd ; 25 6 Tony RICKARDSSON (2) 2 -1 -X -2 -2 = 7= ; 7 Niels-K IVERSEN (WC) 0 -2 -2 -F -X = 4= ; 8 Scott NICHOLLS (12) 2 -1 -0 -2 -3 = 8= Fell; 9 Hans ANDERSEN (9) 3 -1 -3 -3 -2 = 12= 4th ; 10 Jason CRUMP (1) 0 -3 -3 -3 -3 = 12= 2nd ; 20 11 Greg HANCOCK (3) 1 -1 -0 -0 -0 = 2= ; 12 Tomasz CHRZANOWSKI (15) 2 -0 -2 -1 -1 = 6= ; 13 Tomasz GOLLOB (6) X -3 -1 -3 -1 = 8= ; 3rd ;14 Andreas JONSSON (7) 3 -2 -3 -0 -3 = 11= 1st ; 16 15 Nicki PEDERSEN (5) 1 -3 -2 -1 -1 = 8= 3rd ; 16 Jaroslaw HAMPEL (8) - - - - = = ; 17 Charlie GJEDDE (17) - - - - = = ; 18 Mads KORNELIUSSEN (18) HEAT BY HEAT HEAT 01 0 Ryan Sullivan 3 Lee Richardson 2 Leigh Adams 1 Bjarne Pedersen From the gate, which fails to operate properly, Bjarne is left at the start while Lee R leads Sulli and Adams follow. Should have been stopped on turn one. RE-RUN; Richardson makes it again, but Bjarne gets second only to be passed by Adams on lap 3. HEAT 02 1 Antonio Lindback 2 Neils K Iversen 3 Tony Rickardsson 0 Scott Nicholls Poor gate by Nicholls while TRick gets through to the front. Iversen a good second over Lindback. HEAT 03 3 Jason Crump 0 Greg Hancock 2 Hans Andersen 1 Tomasz Chrzanowski Crump needs a good gate off gate one after watching TRick start with a win and he does. Andersen gets into second while Hancock misses his chance to get third after lifting on bend 4, lap 2. HEAT 04 3 Nicki Pedersen X Andreas Jonsson 1 Jaroslaw Hampel 2 Tomasz Gollob Nicki off gate one . .Nearly skittled Gollob. AJ goes down bend 3 and race to be re-run. RE-RUN; Nicki moves Hampel out on turn two and leans on Gollob into turn three to get well in front. Gollob just keeps out Hampel for second. HEAT 05 0 Tomasz Gollob 2 2 Ryan Sullivan 0 3 Antonio Lindback 1 1 Hans Andersen 2 Lindback by a mile over Sullivan and Andersen with Gollob well behind and struggling on false tracks again. HEAT 06 3 Andreas Jonsson 0 1 Jason Crump 3 0 Lee Richardson 3 2 Tony Rickardsson 3 Three winners in first rides against AJ. TRick doesnt make gate but gets through Crump and Ricjhardson. AJ holds on for win. HEAT 07 3 Greg Hancock 0 2 Nicki Pedersen 3 1 Neils K Iversen 2 0 Leigh Adams 2 Hancock moves out with Pedersen alongside and Nicki P goes down. ALL4; RE-RUN; Hancock hits front over Nicki with Iversen getting into third. Adams well back HEAT 08 0 Bjarne Pedersen 2 2 Scott Nicholls 0 1 Tomasz Chrzanowski 1 3 Jaroslaw Hampel 1 Hampel from gate 4 while Nicholls moves into second on lap 1 and looks fast. HEAT 09 0 Tony Rickardsson 5 2 Jaroslaw Hampel 4 1 Ryan Sullivan 2 3 Greg Hancock 3 TRick off one but Hancock + Hampel gate first. Hampel goes wide and TRick goes into second. TRick then suffers engine problems and goesa to back looking slow. HEAT 10 0 Tomasz Chrzanowski 2 2 Antonio Lindback 4 3 Nicki Pedersen 5 1 Lee Richardson 3 Unsatisfactory start. RE-RUN; Nicki moves at start but gets a flyer and leads over Lindback. Lee R third. HEAT 11 2 Scott Nicholls 2 0 Hans Andersen 3 3 Leigh Adams 2 1 Andreas Jonsson 3 After a buckingBronco first bend Scott goes wide into second behind Adams with AJ third. HEAT 12 2 Tomasz Gollob 2 1 Bjarne Pedersen 1 3 Jason Crump 4 X Neils K Iversen 3 Crump makes a bad start but cuts back to move inside on bend 3 into second. Iversen challenging hard and hits kerb, forcing Crumpy down. Iversen excluded RE-RUN; Another poor start by Crumpy but he gets past Bjarne and then Gollob to win easily. HEAT 13 2 Neils K Iversen 3 0 Tomasz Chrzanowski 2 3 Andreas Jonsson 4 1 Ryan Sullivan 3 AJ gets to the front and wins easily. NKI gets second back after Chzran mucks up Sullivan HEAT 14 2 Lee Richardson 4 1 Tomasz Gollob 4 F Scott Nicholls 4 3 Greg Hancock 6 Battle of Britain; Greg taken down by tapes as outside gates dont go up. RE-RUN; The gates go wrong on the inside now RE-RUN; Greg wins to ensure a SF place. Lee R gets second with Gollob third as Nicholls goes down on first bend. HEAT 15 1 Jaroslaw Hampel 6 E Leigh Adams 5 3 Jason Crump 7 2 Antonio Lindback 6 Hampel leading until Crumpy moves hard under him on straight, forcing him to shut-off. Lindback goes into second while Adams retires with a puncture. HEAT 16 Hans Andersen 3 Tony Rickardsson 5 Bjarne Pedersen 2 Nicki Pedersen 8 TRick wins by ease while Andersen gets second and Bjarne keep Nicki P at the back. HEAT 17 1 Ryan Sullivan 4 X Scott Nicholls 4 3 Nicki Pedersen 8 2 Jason Crump 10 Scott gets in front, but slides off and under the fence on turn three, EXCLUDED and out. RE-RUN; Nicki, Crumpy, Sulli in re-run. HEAT 18 3 Hans Andersen 5 0 Lee Richardson 6 2 Neils K Iversen 5 1 Jaroslaw Hampel 7 Andersen should go through after winning off gate 1 while Iversen gets second over Hampel. Richardson tried to cut back on bend two, but got blocked and had to shut-off and left at the back. HEAT 19 Leigh Adams 5 Tomasz Chrzanowski 2 Tomasz Gollob 5 Tony Rickardsson 8 TRick goes wide on first bends to lead and go clear. Adams hangs on to second over Gollob. HEAT 20 Antonio Lindback 8 Andreas Jonsson 7 Greg Hancock 9 Bjarne Pedersen 3 Hancock gets his fourth straight win ahead of Lindback and Bjarne with AJ getting past Bjarne for a vital third. SEMI-FINAL 1 2 = > Greg Hancock 3 = > Nicki Pedersen 1 = X Andreas Jonsson F = X Hans Andersen SEMI-FINAL 2 3 = > Antonio Lindback 2 = > Tony Rickardsson 0 = X Jason Crump 1 = X Jaroslaw Hampel GRAND PRIX FINAL 3 = 25 Tony Rickardsson 2 = 20 Greg Hancock 0 = 16 Nicki Pedersen 1 = 18 Antonio Lindback Courtesy of Live Updates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 What a fantasic GP Okay, of all the over-blown, over-the-top things that Steve Shovlar has ever written on these forums, I'd guess that ranks with the best of them. This GP was far from "fantastic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 The only real difference between last year and this year, is that you get hammered for not making the finals. You fight to make the semis, but if you go out in the semis, you get nothing.That HAS to be addressed. I agree totally. I think it has to go back even further to the rider that comes through the meeting with the most points after 5 rides against all others is the winner. Which I would prefer. As it stands at present a rider that is unbeaten from all his races could come third in a semi and not qualify for the final. Its not speedway racing; to an old fart like myself. Why have a genuine individual meeting where all riders meet all other riders then have semi's and final.? What is the point? Its a bit like the qualifying rounds of previous years. All previous efforts are wiped clean and then its down to two semis and a final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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