Rico Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 shhhhhhhh... I'm partying <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gratulacje to you and Tommy Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZKZ Kitten Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Gratulacje to you and Tommy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, thanks, thanks! I think I'm gonna give a birth in a minute... I can't stand the pressure edited/ I mean it has nothing to do with Tommy of course Edited June 19, 2005 by ZKZ Kitten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Well, went to watch the F1 grand prix and then found out it would be more interesting to try and sort out the Bydgoszcz-Tarnow meeting. It should be up to date very shortly. Edit: Well, finished the Bydgoszcz-Tarnow meeting, finally. I hope anyone popping in enjoyed the up-dates and my thanks to ZKZ Kitten for doing the Zielona Gora meeting. And, of course, all details taken from: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/ekstraliga.htm Edited June 19, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 What is the origin of this song Kitten - I have heard this song a couple of times on my travels (GPs rather than league matches) Just speculating, but could Leszno be one of those places that only became Polish after 1945? I mean, certainly Wroclaw (Breslau) was part of Germany up until 1945 and maybe Leszno was the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Just speculating, but could Leszno be one of those places that only became Polish after 1945? I mean, certainly Wroclaw (Breslau) was part of Germany up until 1945 and maybe Leszno was the same? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is indeed possible that Leszno was part of the recovered territories (it is not shown on the map I have showing the area affected) , however Zielona Gora is definitely in the recovered territory. That was my train of thought as well, but I know Zielona Gora is west of Leszno. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Unia Leszno is not a Polish club, not a Polish club, not a Polish club... Well, maybe everyone should learn a song in Polish for the SWC in Wroclaw, that goes something like: "Rune Holta isn't really a Pole, isn't really a Pole, isn't really a Pole." What the hell, TG might even join in. Edited June 19, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZKZ Kitten Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) very good Subedei. I totally agree Edited June 19, 2005 by ZKZ Kitten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Do you think we should close this thread with a look at the Ekstra Liga table ZKZ Kitten? And will you do the table for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZKZ Kitten Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Here it goes 19th June Team............................Points...............Small Points 1. Apator Toruń...............17..........................+26 2. Unia Tarnów................14..........................+98 3. Polonia Bydgoszcz........14..........................+50 4. Unia Leszno.................14..........................+32 5. Złomrex Cz-wa............12..........................+9 6. Atlas Wrocław..............11...........................-22 7. Lotos Gdańsk................5...........................-54 8. ZKZ Kronopol................4...........................-137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hi guys, Didn't actually post it on here at the time, but here's my match report for the Leszno v Zielona Gora match from May 1 that I did for the Oxford programme. Hopefully it's still of some interest: Something a bit different this week. I normally use this column to give updates on the league meetings from Poland and Sweden. But, for the first time, I can actually give you my first hand experiences of such a meeting - and I can tell you, I've never been to a meeting quite like it before! I went on the Travel Plus tour to the Grand Prix in Wroclaw, and as an added extra, we also took in the Unia Leszno v Zielona Gora Extraleague match the following afternoon, a match between two fierce local rivals. On arriving at the stadium, our coach was led by a police car to the same place as the coaches from the away team - however, when we got there, we found the Zielona Gora fans surrounded by the police and some rather fierce-looking dogs! We were told that the Zielona Gora fans were "crazy" and it was not safe for us to get off the coach, so we were then escorted by the police car back to the entrance for the home fans. On entering the stadium, we took our pre-booked seats by the start/finish line, and then watched in amazement at the events unfolding on the back straight. Firstly, there was the pre-match presentation. A whole section of Unia Leszno fans on the back straight unfurled two large banners, one saying "Blue Bulls" (the team's nickname) and the other with a painted picture of, well, a blue bull. It was accompanied by flares and ticker-tape and looked very impressive. At the same time, the Zielona Gora fans, in a sectioned-off area on the second bend surrounded both sides by policemen, unfurled an absolutely massive banner, with a picture of the bull crossed out, with some rude comment above and below it! That was quite amusing, what followed was not. The meeting was due to start at 5.00pm, however in Poland both teams have an extended practice around the track, and Heat 1 actually commenced at around 5.30pm. By that time, the Zielona Gora fans were ripping up the wooden benches they were supposed to be sat on, and lobbing them at the police. They also had a couple of charges at the police in attempts to get out of their area to be able to attack the Unia Leszno fans. It has to be said that some of the Leszno fans were also far from innocent, going up and taunting the Zielona Gora fans behind the fence, while a section of Leszno fans situated towards the third bend sang songs directly towards the Zielona Gora fans which presumably were not too complimentary! In the meantime, a rather cracking match was taking place on the banked Leszno track. The home side, led by Leigh Adams, had far too much firepower for the visitors, especially with Krzysztof Kasprzak riding at reserve, with their only weak link being Oxford asset Lukasz Jankowski, who was gifted his only point (you may recall Jankowski rode for Oxford at Swindon in the British League Cup match in 2003, although his four points were deducted, after the BSPA decided his inclusion was not legal). In contrast, the visitors relied almost entirely on the efforts of Nicki Pedersen (who crashed rather spectacularly in his opening ride in Heat 2, but was OK to carry on) and Piotr Swist, currently with Arena Essex. They trailed 19-5 after just four races, and the match was already over as a contest. But the racing was first-class, with passing in nearly every heat - and plenty to entertain the 9500 crowd. Not that many of the 300 Zielona Gora fans seemed that interested in the action on the track. Finally, an official from Zielona Gora (presumably the Polish equivalent of a promoter or the team manager) went over to his supporters after Heat 10 and pleaded to the fans to behave. However, they continued to lob the wooden benching at the police, so they were escorted from the stadium with several heats remaining, where reading last week's Speedway Star it looks like they caused further damage, destroying a police car and smashing the windows of private cars. The meeting then came to a fitting climax in Heat 15, with Piotr Swist going from first to last, as Leigh Adams picked him off while battling with Nicki Pedersen, and then the impressive Damian Balinski swooped to take third. Fantastic Speedway - and we left the stadium in good spirits, while keeping one eye open for any maniac Zielona Gora fans! One or two notes on Polish league meetings. The away team is numbered 1-7, while the home team is numbered 9-15. The away heat-leaders ride in yellow and the second strings in white - the opposite way around to Britain. Each team can track only one non-Polish rider at a particular meeting. Heat 1 is a reserve race consisting of only Polish Under-21 riders (Nos 14 & 15 and 6 & 7). This is the only programmed ride for the home 15 / away 7, although if you have a strong under-21 rider such as Kasprzak, this can be worked to the team's advantage, as this rider can take a further four rides at any point (for instance, Leszno used Kasprzak to nullify Zielona Gora's tactical moves). Riders 9 to 13 (home) and 1 to 5 (away) have four programmed rides each, while the 14 (home) & 6 (away) have five programmed rides. There are two nominated heats at the conclusion of the meeting, with Heat 15 being for the top scorers. When a team is six of more points behind, they can use a tactical substitute. UNIA LESZNO 61: Damian Balinski 9+1 (5), Lukasz Jankowski 1 (2), Leigh Adams 13+1 (5), Adam Skornicki 9+1 (5), Jacek Rempala 4+1 (4), Norbert Kosciuch 10+2 (4), Krzysztof Kasprzak 15 (5). ZIELONA GORA 29: Nicki Pedersen 10+1 (6), Andrzej Huszcza 6 (6), Mariusz Staszewski 1 (4), Krzysztof Stojanowski 0 (2), Piotr Swist 9 (6), Zbiginew Suchecki 2 (4), Daniel Pytel 1 (2). 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iris123 Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Do you think we should close this thread with a look at the Ekstra Liga table ZKZ Kitten?And will you do the table for us? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh,that reminded me of the good old days of Bruce Forsyth and Anthea Redfearn Lets have a look at the old score board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Thanks for that Rob, it's always interesting to read about the way Speedway meetings are conducted abroad. I have to say though, from reading your report that the Polish league rules seem a little complicated. No, hang on, forget that, they don't have to contend with Tactical rides, which, (I'm sure anyone who has had to this will concur), are toe curlingly embarrassing to explain to a newcomer. Give me the polish system any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 And it doesn't look like they have a "minimum 3 rides" rule either. It'd be interesting to see the averages, if anyone knows where you can find them, as I think they'd be surprising. Judging from the scores I've seen, I'd guess Tomasz Gollob would be well ahead of TR in the Tarnow averages and Pepe well ahead of Andreas Jonsson in the Bydgoszcz team. But I could wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Watcha looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 If you want to know the way, don't bother a policeman, ask Iris 123. Thanks for the information young fellow. As I suspected Gollob (9.87) leading Rickardsson (9.10) and Protasiewicz (9.83) leading Jonsson (8.48). I guess the biggest surprise is Sullivan topping the averages (10.23). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 I guess the biggest surprise is Sullivan topping the averages (10.23). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Master of the understatement. I nearly fell over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Finally got my self together after celebrating yesterday's victory over Leszno . No major crowd riots at this one Rico Police made a buffer zone from the sector that seperates ZG and Leszno fans, so apart from belching out slogans at each other the crowd behaved. Wish all meetings would run like this one ...now i'm off to get some sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 They must've updated the averages to include yesterday. Sullivan is still top (10.04), but look at TR's average (8.96), almost a full point behind TG (9.80). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hmmm... interesting... proof that maybe TR ain't the rider that Ivan Mauger or Hans Nielsen were - i.e. riders capable of not only dominating a World Final or a GP series, but a complete SEASON. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hmmm... interesting... proof that maybe TR ain't the rider that Ivan Mauger or Hans Nielsen were - i.e. riders capable of not only dominating a World Final or a GP series, but a complete SEASON. I'm not getting into that, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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