robpeasley Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Greg Hancock is out injured, possibly with a broken scaphoid, after being speared by Nicki Pedersen in Heat 16 at Cardiff on Saturday. Surely now yellow and red cards should be introduced into the GP series - as the way some riders, and in particular one rider, are riding in the series is dangerous. Nicki should have picked up a yellow for KOing Bjarne Pedersen in Sweden, then a red for his completely reckless move on Saturday night, forcing him to miss the following GP. There has to be a consequence to his actions, otherwise where will it stop... maybe with Nicki fencing Tony R so that's it possible to catch him in the series... as for Nicki absolutely any means justify the end. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 See the other thread re red and yellow cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Think there's no doubt that when we do have a proper and effective disciplinary system in speedway, which inevitably we must, Pedersen is bound to pick up a ban for repeated misconduct. Unlike football, that would have serious implications for a rider by reducing his earning power. If it's hitting him hard in the pocket, how would Nicki react? He certainly won't be friends with any ref, but he's got to learn to toe the line or face the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 This is about the 5th time that this topic has come up and the only reason is when it effects a oxford rider . If you were giveing red and yellow cards out on the ref say so jason crump would not have seen a gp for the rest of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsnut Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I believe the time as come to introduce some sort of system to punish dangerous riding, i was there on Saturday and the people around me all had the same opinion, that certain riders will stop at nothing to win a race. The incident with NP and GH on Saturday was pure petulance from NP he had missed the gate and had no consideration for others around him. The consequence being, GH injured, and also from a possible 1st or 2nd in that heat then came 3rd in the re-run so from a potential 8 point score to a 6 then having a bent bike and back to back races was never going to make the semis. And before any NP fans jump up and down and spit the dummy out i am all for watching racers in our sport, as to many people say 1st out the gate wins, but if the sport does not act soon we will not have racers like GH as they will have to retire through injury caused by negligence of others. Remember Gh was not the only one to suffer on Saturday Bjarne also got the rough end from his fellow countryman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I believe the time as come to introduce some sort of system to punish dangerous riding <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The rules already exist, it just takes the refs to start using them. If riders are consistently excluded for dangerous riding they will soon get the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 The rules already exist, it just takes the refs to start using them. If riders are consistently excluded for dangerous riding they will soon get the message. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the trouble is though Dekker (my new friend ) that the refs get it wrong so often (and are intimidated into making decisions) that they simply cannot be relied upon to enforce the laws 100% - I think I agree to at least a trial run of something akin to football's video panel as there is no doubt that the same names keep cropping up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) That's a good idea, Splatty, but even so I don't think the laws are sufficient. There's no way for a ref to penalise a team and/or rider with immediate effect for serious breaches, even if they are applying the rules to its fullest extent. Gotta change - riders and teams must know that they can't get away with anything untoward for fear of severe and immediate retribution, such as: Banning the rider for one scheduled appearance (without replacement) in a "sin bin" Banning him for the rest of the meeting Points deduction for extreme cases Plus additional punishments meted out by the video panel, including fines and bans And rider bans for repeated offences. Any views? Edited June 13, 2005 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 What is a broken "scaphoid" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 What is a broken "scaphoid" ? The scaphoid is a small bone on the thumb side of the wrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 The scaphoid is a small bone on the thumb side of the wrist. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Henry! Where on the body is this particulary bone placed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carp Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 For those of you in favour of some sort of card system, presumably handed out riders for being the primary cause of a stoppage in which they caused another rider to fall, get your Cardiff video out and count up who'd have received what ACCORDING TO THE REFEREES DECISIONS. In other words, don't watch it and say "Oooh, that was dangerous, must be a card", watch it and say "the ref excluded Norris, D. as the primary cause of the incident with Rickardsson, T. so Norris receives a yellow card". It doesn't matter what YOU think, what matters is the referees decision. The whole stupid idea should come with a health warning... "Remember - red and yellow cards also apply to riders you like." That's the reality of a cards system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 No, the whole system should come with a very carefully thought-through definition of which offences warrant which punishments, extensive training for refs and full consultation with clubs before being introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) You'd have to have an appeals procedure as well. The GP series does need some form of disciplinary procedure, or we're going to end up with a serious injury. The stakes are high. And riders - not just Nicki P - are making some desperate gambles in races. It'll end in tears. It's just not acceptable to have riders kicking out at other riders (Gothenburg last year) or wiping out riders in the last bend of a GP because they've nothing to lose (Eskilstuna this year). Edited June 13, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 No, the whole system should come with a very carefully thought-through definition of which offences warrant which punishments, extensive training for refs and full consultation with clubs before being introduced. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you still thinking about speedway? By the second season any rider on a yellow card would be able to remove it by winning a race off 15m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Dan Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I would like to see this rule introduced too, however it would guarantee Crump and Hancock missing the rest of the season for gross misconduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Are you still thinking about speedway? By the second season any rider on a yellow card would be able to remove it by winning a race off 15m <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah! Didn't I mention the first essential move? They have to appoint me as Chief Executive on a large salary funded by the additional cash available to tracks through no longer having to pay transfer or loan fees!! I guarantee that the rules would be introduced and applied with absolute consistency! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I guarantee that the rules would be introduced and applied with absolute consistency! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Transfer fees? I didnt think anyone paid up anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Only because they know the system is dying. Just think how much better off the average club would be if they didn't have to pay loan fees, though! Anyway, decent leadership and management skills would be a good start to get the BSPA sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Mr Peasley Greg Hancock although one of the nicest guys in the sport isnt whiter than white he would have been given a yellow card for stuffing Crumpy leaving him nowhere to go in their heat. Hancock should have been excluded you know it and more importantly he knows it. It is unfortunate he has a broken wrist but if you dish it out youself you have to be prepared to take it aswell. Good Luck with your Weymouth friends I agree the track is a disgrace V Vega esq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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