TigerWolf Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Much of my opinions re: Crumpy and tonight have been voiced already - obvisouly he is going to be upset at the night he had but of the 3 exlcusions, the last 2 were right in my view (even if the first was a disgrace) and he should feel frustrated at himself rather than blaming his bad night entirely on the ref. I have to confess to not exactly being a big Nikki Ped fan but at least, after an equally bad night, he was big enough to give Sky an interview (even if he talked crap during it) rather than picking up his kitbag and crying off like JC did. I remember a GP from abroad somewhere a year or so ago where Crumpy had a poor night and was caight of camera sat in a corner somewhere, he looked up and saw the camera before 'flicking the vees' at the camera. These aussies - they don't like it up em do they? ;-) p.s. Shame Scottie coudln't quite do it tonight- he even crashed simply from trying to hard in the semi, when rolling off the throttle a bit would have kept him on the bike. Hard luck fella. I'm sure he'll be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Television, live television, is now part of speedway and all of us want this. As far as the top riders goes, in fact all riders on television, giving interviews is now part of the job, whether they have won or lost. No rider should ever snub the cameras, they are proffesional sportsmen who have supporters, sponsers etc. The mechanic tonight who gave the abuse should stick to his job what he is paid to do. And before anyone says my comments are anti-Crump, there is nothing more i would have loved to have seen than Crump to have won tonight (Apart from the Brits). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWolf Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Yeah I saw that and also I know there will be a seperate thread that will go on ages about this but Kelvin, Billy, Sam and Keith were all slating Nikki P once more in the studio <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's cos he's an asshole ! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 In fairness, Crump gave an interview after his 1st exclusion. I thought his 1st 2 exclusions were harsh - if you replace Hancock with Nicki P you get a different story I think. But this is what Sky are looking for. They followed Crump and Pedersen like hounds chasing a fox. Both camps to a degree responded in an unfavourable light. And that's exactly what Sky wanted. Just like Jonsson got caught out at Eskilstuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWolf Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 In fairness, Crump gave an interview after his 1st exclusion. I thought his 1st 2 exclusions were harsh - if you replace Hancock with Nicki P you get a different story I think.But this is what Sky are looking for. They followed Crump and Pedersen like hounds chasing a fox. Both camps to a degree responded in an unfavourable light. And that's exactly what Sky wanted. Just like Jonsson got caught out at Eskilstuna. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> His 1st exlcusion was a joke. Pure and simple. I tihnk his 2nd was justifyable and his 3rd was a nailed on exclusion. Sky chased him because he's the world champ. The fact is whether it's fair or not, NP will get stick for any race where an incident occurs that he's involved in simply becuase he has got 'form' for it. Incidents seem to follow him around - including tonight. Don't get me wrong, Nikki is good for the sport from a publicity and on the terraces point of view because he polarises opinion but, at the politest, he's a hard rider. He's the modern day Kenny Carter - fiercly competitive but will stick you in the fence if he gets the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) In fairness, Crump gave an interview after his 1st exclusion. I thought his 1st 2 exclusions were harsh - if you replace Hancock with Nicki P you get a different story I think.But this is what Sky are looking for. They followed Crump and Pedersen like hounds chasing a fox. Both camps to a degree responded in an unfavourable light. And that's exactly what Sky wanted. Just like Jonsson got caught out at Eskilstuna. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well put. I was looking for a way to reply but you did a better job than I. Crump has calmed down too much for my liking. The pre world champ Crump would have been blowing a gasket after the first exclusion and not giving a calm interview! As for the ref, referees in football get demoted when they mess up. I suggest that that tool takes the exam again and sticks to league racing until he gets the hang of it Edited June 12, 2005 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark43 Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Crump is the one who is the disgrace. He's supposed to be the World Champion, he's meant to represent the sport and instead he acts like a petulant little baby just because he was excluded. I saw a few riders have decisions against them, but they didn't cry or bully the sky crew, they actually gave an interview and acted like professionals. Jason Crump is a total disgrace and a black eye on the world of speedway with his childish fits. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i totaly, agree. my 4 year old son behaves better,hes suposed to be world. champ, of speedway, not world champ of temper tantrums. he needs to behave, is speedwaya family sport, should he not set a example, like tony r, or any of the other riders who had things go against them, well i think, mr crump is the worst champ we have had for years,just my view tho, the way he behaves, not good for the sports image tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 TR often pushes cameras away with his hand. He did it tonight as he walked to his bike for the semi or final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CR500 Dude Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) Spot on Dave this posting and the other usual comments from the grandstand computer commandos..."These aussies - they don't like it up em do they?" will be dealt with in the usual manner printed off on a piece of soft tissue A4 and the next time i go for a dump using to it to wipe my arse with!!!! you are correct in what you say about him being the current world champion,however you are far from correct in stating he acted like a petulant little baby,as far as I can recall he acted in a professional manner in trying circumstances,perhaps I missed it but what did Crumpy do wrong? I do take umbridge with your sweeping statement of saying he is a disgrace and a black eye on the world of speedway,unfounded,unwarrented and a pure figmant of your tiny immagination. Good luck to Tony who looks odds on to take another world title,the only bad thing is that the grand prix series looks all but over in early June. A big thank you to all the supporters who came into the collectors fayre today. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Edited June 11, 2005 by CR500 Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Spot on Dave this posting and the other usual comments from the grandstand computer commandos..."These aussies - they don't like it up em do they?" will be dealt with in the usual manner printed off on a piece of soft tissue A4 and the next time i go for a dump using to it to wipe my arse with!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So I take it you condone his actions eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyin'ryan Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Thought Crumpy actually did well tonight considering it all and has grown up an awful lot in recent years....to be fair to the guy he gave an interview after being wrongly excluded which would probably have sent him off on one not so long ago... to be excluded 3 times, as current world champion, being as competitive as he is, he must have been losing it inside big time..i mean who wouldn't ? ok so maybe 2 of the exclusions were right but it still doesn't mean he's happy about them...angry with the ref, angry with himself, 3 exclusions...I'm not surprised he smashed his helmet down...but apart from that it wasn't anything really drastic... I don't blame him for his reaction under the circumstances, I don't blame sky either..that's just part and part of the coverage of the event... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 If you were sat where we were you would have seen Hancock ride Crump into the fence, the camera's were in the wrong place to see it. its the Ref thats a disgrace & should never be let near a speedway meeting again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 You put replace Hancock with Nicki P and you'd get a totally different response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 If you were sat where we were you would have seen Hancock ride Crump into the fence, the camera's were in the wrong place to see it. its the Ref thats a disgrace & should never be let near a speedway meeting again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We did actually see that later and Keith Huewen in the studio actually spotted it but none of the three stooges (2 of em Greg's mate) did. But Hancock was being taken wide as well and they ran out of track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defunct Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 No such thing as bad publicity, just wish BBC News and the Mirror and Sun would start a front page campaign about everything thats "wrong" in speedway. In fact the powers that be should be out there shouting about all the "scandals" and injustices in speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) I was just going to say that Crump99! If you were sat where WE were (in front of the TV in our living room) it was obvious the Greg had no option but to move Crump out - Pedersen was pushing him wide too! If this had happened half way round the first bend, it would have been all 4 back - NO problem! I've long been an advocate of them 'extending' the all 4 back unitl the riders get their wheels straight going down the back straight. At the end of the day the what happens in the second bend is as a direct result of all 4 riders being together as it's the first TURN of the first lap. This was definatly an all 4 decsion IMHO! And I have NO liking for any of the three riders involved. In fact in a list of my five least favourite riders, these three would be in there!!!!! Edited to add: Just watched the replay and it was Nicholls not Pedersen - it must have been the sort of thing I expected from Pedersen so I'd got him in my mind! The fact still remains that he DID take Hancock out wide and Hancock then went into Crump! Edited June 12, 2005 by lupus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sw7179 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 If you shove a camera and mike in front of any sportspersons face after a major sporting dissapointment you are likely to get a passionate and emotional response rather than a calculated interview. In my opinion this would happen in any sport. As Arsenal scored the last decisive penalty in the FA cup final how would any Utd player have reacted to being placed immediately under the microphone? Or Tim Henman when he's just lost another semi final at Wimbledon from match point up? Give the guys a break, everything is on the limit, their emotions particularly. Give them five minutes to calm down before expecting them to behave with complete grace and dignity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 If you shove a camera and mike in front of any sportspersons face after a major sporting dissapointment you are likely to get a passionate and emotional response rather than a calculated interview. In my opinion this would happen in any sport. As Arsenal scored the last decisive penalty in the FA cup final how would any Utd player have reacted to being placed immediately under the microphone? Or Tim Henman when he's just lost another semi final at Wimbledon from match point up? Give the guys a break, everything is on the limit, their emotions particularly. Give them five minutes to calm down before expecting them to behave with complete grace and dignity. DEAD RIGHT, and NOBODY on here can disagree surely!!!!!!! Last GP they didn't hound Scotty when he was clearly upset after his performance (being consoled by Middlo etc). Also those at the very top have more to lose and higher top fall, ie Crumpy, so obviously disappointment is more intense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 What no-one has mentioned about Crumpy last night was after he totally wiped out Pedersen and Lindback he didnt even go over and see how poor Lindback was. No excuses only takes a few seconds to wander over and see if the other rider is OK or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyP Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) you are correct in what you say about him being the current world champion,however you are far from correct in stating he acted like a petulant little baby,as far as I can recall he acted in a professional manner in trying circumstances,perhaps I missed it but what did Crumpy do wrong? I do take umbridge with your sweeping statement of saying he is a disgrace and a black eye on the world of speedway,unfounded,unwarrented and a pure figmant of your tiny immagination. Good luck to Tony who looks odds on to take another world title,the only bad thing is that the grand prix series looks all but over in early June. A big thank you to all the supporters who came into the collectors fayre today. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Totally agree 100% with you Dave. Can't see what Jason did wrong on or off track (final race excepted), but some people will pick up on anything to vent their unfounded biased rubbish. Sorry I didn't get into see you in the Fayre, but we got up to the stadium later than we intended, and after that I was so tired I had to go and sit in the pub. Edited June 12, 2005 by AndyP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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