John Leslie Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 All refs make bad decisions, but he wasn't even consistent. Thats a bit unfair. He was consistent.....consistently wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euan Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Having never rode on a Speedway meeting I might be wrong, but surely even the slightest of touches from a rider at the high speeds they're going at can easily knock you off your bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingRacer05 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I was almost right above the pits. How about you? 3rd bend. where there was hardly any movement from the people around us. No cheering, nothing! Only the Ipswitch supporters infront of me bothered to cheer. There was hardly any flags aswell! I had my American one and United Kingdom one. We had a guy keep getting up for a beer half way through the races!!! :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I was almost right above the pits. How about you? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Anyone see me out on track then? Everytime there was a crash, the riders who stayed on before the re-runs had to have some more fuel....and that was my job Dressed all in bspa black... and doing a fine job if i say so myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 We had a guy keep getting up for a beer half way through the races!!! Tight git didn't get me one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Drop a cog you forgot to mention Arena Essex in that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 the one thing you can be sure on is the ref is highly unlikely to be reffing many other GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 3rd bend. where there was hardly any movement from the people around us. No cheering, nothing! Only the Ipswitch supporters infront of me bothered to cheer. There was hardly any flags aswell! I had my American one and United Kingdom one. We had a guy keep getting up for a beer half way through the races!!! :mad: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We were on the third bend and were making plenty of noise. Which level were you in, did you see the guy with the 5 air horn contraption? Pure class! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Nobody is dressing anything up at all, Floppy hit Rickardsson who went down, Floppy was rightly excluded, get over it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Garbage in my view. Rickardsson knew he was going to get nothing a took a chance which paid off. Had the two riders positions been changed the decision would have been different. My criticism of the referee was that he was inconsistent. He didn't look at the video of the Rickardsson one but didi on the others. Crump was unfortunate in the first exclusion which should have been all 4 back yet when Bjarne Pedersen gets out of shape on his own he let him back in !! Greg surely had the racing line on Jason and Jason chose not to shut off, can't exclude the guy who is clearly in front. Let s get away from this the referee has cost Crump the title, its crap. Crump caused his own problems by getting himself into impossible situations, it wasn't the referee who missed the start and made the mistakes he did. The referee was responsible for one mistake of the 3 and in this format he should be able to cope with one nil pointer to his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanisnumber1 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Crump was not unfortunate to be excluded in the race with Hancock, Greg just held his line and Crumpy did not shut the throttle off and just ran out of room!! His third exclusion was desperation and could have caused serious trouble and injury for the other riders!! Was a terrible move!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Crump was not unfortunate to be excluded in the race with Hancock, Greg just held his line and Crumpy did not shut the throttle off and just ran out of room!! You could say the exact same thing about Hancock in Prague last year. But very few people did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 yet when Bjarne Pedersen gets out of shape on his own he let him back in !! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chris were you watching the same GP as everyone else? Bjarne got sandwiched between Nicki P and Lee R and had absolutley no where to go. If ever there was a crash that the first bend bunching rule was invented for this was it! Agree with you about the Hancock/Crump incident though, Greg was being pushed wide and Crump either had to shut off or fall off, he chose the wrong one and the ref agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Chris were you watching the same GP as everyone else? Bjarne got sandwiched between Nicki P and Lee R and had absolutley no where to go. If ever there was a crash that the first bend bunching rule was invented for this was it!Agree with you about the Hancock/Crump incident though, Greg was being pushed wide and Crump either had to shut off or fall off, he chose the wrong one and the ref agreed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess I was watching the same one. Its all about opinions though, and as has been said many times none of them are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 And the only one that counts is that of the fellow called Marek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 who was the ref stevie wonder the guy was s??t norris lined rickardsen up and made his move fantastic never touched him t r layed it down to get the race stopped and therefore get another bite at the cherry the guy cheated a great thing to do from a so called legend andersen lays the bike down when crump is just holding his line crump is excluded crump lays it down when hancock is holding his line crump is excluded 2 incidents both the same crump goes out in them both the guy has ever right to be p?????d off i personally would have put the bikes on the van and told the ref to shove it up his ??? the 2 points nicki p lost because of tony [lay the bike down]rickardsens actions cost him a semi final place and if he d have been coming off gates 1 or 2 it could have been a totally different ball game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDx Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Anyone see me out on track then? Everytime there was a crash, the riders who stayed on before the re-runs had to have some more fuel....and that was my job Dressed all in bspa black... and doing a fine job if i say so myself <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you have a cap on? Fiveone took lots of photos around that area... so you're likely to be in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 This referee was not of a sufficient standard to be given the responsibility of refereeing a Speedway Grand Prix. This is an opinion shared by the majority of people I have spoken with regarding the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 This referee was not of a sufficient standard to be given the responsibility of refereeing a Speedway Grand Prix.This is an opinion shared by the majority of people I have spoken with regarding the matter. Well none of the people I spoke to said anything that polite about him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Well none of the people I spoke to said anything that polite about him! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well I did moderate what I heard JL ..... didn't want a warning - even if I was quoting others ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Nobody can seriously say this ref was anything other than CRAP. We all know it anyway. The television proof was shown when he excluded Jonsson for tape touching when it was actually Lindback in an earlier GP. With this in mind he should not have even been in charge for this meeting. Most of the time it’s personnel opinion if a ref is right or wrong, but when you have indisputable proof he is incompetent then the authorities need to take action. For me he spoilt what could have been a good meeting. I’m sure he’ll get withdrawn from the referees rosta, but it’s a bit late now. On the Crump and Hancock topic. I saw him as being to far up on Hancocks back wheel to cut back, and if he had shut off, the bike would have lost speed, straightened and he would have hit the fence as he was only a few inches from it at the time. He tried to ride it out, and it was nobody’s fault that everyone had moved out and out leaving no room. All four back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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