New Gp Race Format - Good Or Bad?

[GREDON]

This new old format is much better, far easier to fill the programme in for one thing. Also much fairer as riders have to come off different gates and ride against each other at least once. The only problem I can see is the points system and it might have been better to have omitted the semis and final and riders kept the points they scored in main meeting. When you consider that TR could have scored 15 in the main meeting and only finished with 16 by coming fourth in the final,whilst a win from AL in the final would have given him 25 for just scoring 8 in the main. At least we get to see more of the riders now and takes speedway back to the more credible sport instead of the its a knockout!

[AndyM]

Totally agree, Gredon and RR05. It needs to be hard to win a GP or what's the point?

[jill]

i liked it

[orion]

Better than snooker jill

[jill]

2 right

[Guest Shnikies]

Why not have a certain amount of points available for winning the final, coming second etc and add that on to their scores after the normal 20 heats.

For example:

1st 10pts

2nd 8pts

3rd 6pts

4th 5pts

5th & 6th 4pts

7th & 8th 3pts.

 

Would that be any fairer? Probably not!

 

For the record I prefer the previous format. It was much more exciting as a spectator. The new format felt a little flat but it's hard to tell after just 1GP, and a pretty mediocre one at that.

Edited May 3, 2005 by Shnikies

[davidncohen]

... which only goes to prove the old maxim that you can pleases some of the people some of the time etc. I certainly agree that the points scoring system could be looked at, as a few posts have pointed out. The old new format really mirrors the system of similar motor sports grand prix - everyone in it for mots of the event. Still, at least they're trying something new, err, old, err different :-)

 

Oh yeh, nice to be back in this forum after a long absence.

 

David

[21st century heathen]

I'm confussed!!! (on two counts)

 

I don't understand those who think the new system will provide less racing. Every position matters now. Previously the only race that really]/i] made a difference was the fight for second place over third. Even for those who can't make the semis towards the end of the match (Hans) has to race for points to take forward.

 

Secondly I don't understand why speedway persists in making things as complicated. Why can't we have a standard 20 heat format, 5 rides each, normal points scored, no semis or finals (as they can reward a decent rider on the night with more than he deserved), and the standard points scored are carried forward to the following GP's. That way the most consistantly good rider at the end of the season will be champ. This has to be without a doubt the best way to find the best rider over the season.

 

...or am I talking too much sense for this sport again?

 

Oh, and the track was crap TRick was a class apart and so much for me putting a quid on Hans.

[SCB]

21CH, spot on.

[Boardrider]

this new format is much better - I used to get bored watching the Brits disappear by race 12

 

This way they get 5 races at least - as long as TR doesn't blast away the opposition again - the first GP was a bit predictable after his first race

[21st century heathen]

Having had more time to reflect I like the system much more then previous seasons, but not convinced the scoring is right. Looks a two horse race already.

 

[tomhaines]

After Eskilstuna I like the format

 

Only disadvantage is that in Cardiff I am gonna lose my voice cos three Brits are definatly in it all the way to heat 20

[tigerblues]

I must admit it's fairer, and you see riders racing more often, but isn't it making it a bit simple for the riders, maybe not for people like Nicholls etc who've not done much this year, but for Crump it's just giving him an even better chance than he already has!

[21st century heathen]

It's not so much the format as the scoring system that is a problem. See my post about 4/5 posts above for my idea of the best way to find the best rider of the year.

 

[AndyM]

Why not have a certain amount of points available for winning the final, coming second etc and add that on to their scores after the normal 20 heats.

For example:

1st 10pts

2nd 8pts

3rd 6pts

4th 5pts

5th & 6th 4pts

7th & 8th 3pts.

 

Would that be any fairer? Probably not!

 

For the record I prefer the previous format. It was much more exciting as a spectator. The new format felt a little flat but it's hard to tell after just 1GP, and a pretty mediocre one at that.

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Why create arbitrary points to be awarded when you have perfectly good race points awarded on the classic 3/2/1/0 basis? It would be pretty mean if there was a 4-point differential in actual race scores but only in 2 GP points awarded.

 

And as for the format, it's only the same individual race format that's been used for generations with semis and a final bolted on. This is recognition that the original was best and that the new format adopted for the GP isn't necessarily an improvement.

Edited May 19, 2005 by AndyM

[Tsunami]

I think I need more GP's for me to make my mind up. The old format was constant hassle and change and very disappointing when a rider goes home after 2 races. The new format is returning to the standard 5 rides and meet everybody format with 3 extra rides to give more value to the fans.

My biggest problem is the big difference between the points of the winners in the final and the remainder. We will know after about 3 rounds that about 12 riders cannot be in with a shout because of the gap. That can't be good for the series. Only TRick and Crump seem able to take the crown with only Lee A capable of doing a charge. Still, it's no different to F1 racing I suppose.

 

[Guest sw7179]

The new system for me is far better. Two draws from a dodgy gate under the old system and it was time to hail a taxi. Even on an economical level that would have made it harder for riders to secure sponsors etc when they could only gurantee two outings per meeting.

 

Now every point counts and thats good, no more settling for second.

 

I agree that the points differential in the finals is too much. Abloke can scarpe through on 8 points above someone else on countback yet with a couple of pieces of fortune find himself 17 points better off.

 

Why not just award standard 3,2,1,0 for semis and final which get added to your running total.

 

Also should top two automatically qualify for final leaving Messrs 3-6 to fight it out for the last two places.

 

Plus - Olly O, Can we have some flinging flanging grip please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matousek]

its the best thing for a long time lets hope it comtinues how many is trick winning by.

[tigerblues]

its the best thing for a long time lets hope it comtinues how many is trick winning by.

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TOO MANY! lol i'm not too sure, i was actually going to ask the same question.

[moxey63]

I don't think the new formula works. Out of the first three GPs, I have enjoyed just the one.

The format used over the last few years was cut and thrust speedway, especially heat 12 onwards. In tonight's meeting the best two races were the semis - when riders didn't want to finish out of the top two. There's too many races that don't mean a thing.

Bring back the elimination format.