Jap And Jawa For Sale

[plipplop]

FOR SALE

2 fully restored, All original speedway bike's.

Both BMF show winner's,

Open to serious offers.

Must collect or arrange own transport

from Yorkshire (UK)

Sale due to bereavement

 

Photo's are here

Email: japandjawa@hotmail.co.uk

[GazzaUK]

Now THAT is how a speedway bike should look!

[cpbyles]

Now THAT is how a speedway bike should look!

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nah - there's no dents, rust or shale clogging up the engine fins. Can't see any rips in the seat either, this bike needs restoring badly

 

Seriously, nice machines, wish my bank manager was more understanding !!

[Hot Shoe]

Now THAT is how a speedway bike should look!

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nah - there's no dents, rust or shale clogging up the engine fins. Can't see any rips in the seat either, this bike needs restoring badly

 

Seriously, nice machines, wish my bank manager was more understanding !!

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CP, I'll have to send you a pic of my old Weslake complete with bent forks, tank dents, ripped seat, bent handlebars, shale deposits and i'm sure some of my DNA is still on it from a "get off" some years ago. Now that's what i call a speedway bike!

[Guest dunni]

peter collins is always looking for old bikes,if anyone knows is number?

[GazzaUK]

I love the look of those bikes....at the risk of sounding like an old fart, the modern day bikes just look rubbish to me...

[Guest Dawn]

Hey, I recognise those bikes!! They were lovingly and painstakingly restored by my Dad who sadly passed away last year. Knowing just how much my Dad put into restoring them, my Mum would like them to go to a good home, someone who will appreciate them.

 

If anyone on here could offer any suggestions as to where to advertise them this would be much appreciated.

 

Many thanks in anticipation.

 

Dawn

[plipplop]

Thanks to all of you who enquired, but the 2 bikes are now sold.

They've gone to a very happy home on the English south coast.

 

Thanks again.

 

Billy

[David Croucher]

For those of you who may be wondering where they have gone - I am the lucky purchaser of these 2 magnificent Machines.

 

I collected them from Leeds yesterday afternoon and met the vendor Mrs Olga Parker, whose late Husband Ron, had kept them in such superb condition, in the case of the JAP, for over 50 years.

 

People who might like to see them, may do so this coming Tuesday at Smallbrook Stadium on the Isle of Wight when we run our first practice session.

 

The great admirers of our Sport, like Ron Parker, who work so painstakingly on these fantastic old Bikes, keep the history of Speedway alive.

 

Because of Ron Parker's hard work, time and money over many years, these 2 Speedway Bikes have been preserved in what can only be described as almost new condition.

 

His efforts have meant that many people, for many years to come, will gain great enjoyment from viewing and hearing them.

 

Thank you very much Mrs Parker for allowing me the privilege of owning these 2 beautiful pieces of Speedway Racing history, and thank you Billy for helping me load up.

 

I will keep this thread alive by periodically informing everyone where these Bikes will be on show.

 

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[David Croucher]

The JAP, which we have now aged as a 1953 Rotrax, will be on display at Motor Cycle World at Beaulieu on the 18th and 19th of June.

 

I will post the exact location when I get the details.

 

For those of you who wondered....................................

 

Neither of these bikes had been run for years when I purchased them.

 

They are both going now and it is intended that they get ridden on the Isle of Wight towards the end of the Season for a few demonstration laps.

 

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[Team Man]

David,

Enjoy those machines, they look wonderful.

 

I had a JAP and a Jawa like those, unfortunately I ran short of money whilst running Skegness and had to sell the JAP as it was worth more than the Jawa.

 

Still have the Jawa I'm glad to say, and still have a spin now and again.

[David Croucher]

had to sell the JAP

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The very first 500 I ever rode was a Hagon JAP Grass Track Bike.

 

Richard May had won the SCGTRA Championship on it the previous year - 1966 (I think).

 

I sold it for £75.

 

To be fair, a BRAND NEW Ford Cortina was only £680 then, so I suppose it is all relative..............

 

I won't say what I paid for the JAP, but I collected it from Leeds, as previously mentioned, and said to the lady I purchased it from - "I would have driven to Leeds just to sit on it".

 

It really is a work of art - and that's the opinion of Tony Briggs, John Tarr, Max Richards and a number of other people who know a fantastic bike when they see one.

 

I said earlier on in this thread "I am the lucky purchaser" - I meant that.

 

Come and see the JAP at Beaulieu everyone - it WILL make you smile I promise you.

 

Crouch.

[Team Man]

David,

It looked like a 5 stud motor in a MK2 Rotrax frame,.....am I right?

 

Mine was a 4 stud in a MK2, but same clutch as yours, My primary chain cover was more like your Jawa, but exactly the same brown leather saddle.

 

I think one of the things riders find disconcerting about the JAP is that the power comes in all of a sudden, but what a magnificent machine.

[bucket]

So, do I take it JAP's are hard to master? I purchased a 4b JAP in a North frame back in 1984. Following a minor accident when I rode it through the fence at the bottom of my Mums garden I took it apart to renovate it and that's how it's remained, stored in the attic awaiting restoration. Maybe this year i'll get around to sorting it out

 

2v Jawas are fairly easy to ride as long as you keep the revs up. Went to Reading t/t twice last year and gave my brothers Jawa a 'blast', unfortunately I forgot that vital piece of info and found myself running the handlebars down the back straight fence with my little finger between the two, just as well nails grow back! all good fun though!!!

[David Croucher]

It looked like a 5 stud motor in a MK2 Rotrax frame,.....am I right?

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I think so Alan.

 

It is definately a Long 5 and it is Rotrax but not sure about Mk2.

 

John Tarr looked at it and dates and authenticated most of it as orginal.

 

It started out life looking very different and the Late Ron Parker, who restored it, went to great lengths to find all original and authentic parts where he could.

 

This went right down to a re-chromed, but original, exhaust bracket.

 

Loved the website Leakie.

 

In reply to your question - they all frighten the wotsit out of me.

 

I rode a lay down at Wimbledon a couple of years ago amd I'd forgotten just how fast they are.

 

I had a ride at Southampton Show last year on one of Andy Day's 2 Valve Jawas.

 

I really need a 76 tooth back sprocket to gear it right for me - slow me down to about 30mph.

 

Crouch.

Edited May 13, 2005 by David Croucher

[bucket]

I don't think the frame is a mk2 rotrax, as that was similar to a Jawa frame with the backend being one piece and curved instead of being built up from 3 seperate parts.

 

Both of your bikes look fantastic, but Just to be pedantic, as the JAP is 1953 shouldn't it have a 22" back wheel?

 

Glad you like the website, as we only had 2 practice sessions last year, most of it is a load of old tosh, but it keeps us ammused!!!

[Team Man]

I think you may be wrong there Bucket, the MK2 Rotrax had sloping rear forks, I don't ever remember Rotrax producing curved rear forks.

 

The MK1 took a 2.75x22 rear tyre and the MK2 took a 350x19 tyre, the rear exhaust bracket on the MK1 was about 11/2" from the end of the forks and the MK2 about 3" from the end.

 

 

PS

Looking at the photo's again it looks like it is a MK1 frame but the exhaust pipe looks like its off the MK2, if you look at the picture of the old unrestored JAP, that has the MK1 exhaust pipe.

 

I've got Alec Jackson's pamphlets in front of me, its easy when you sit here comparing them.

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[johnsmithsmooth]

Great bikes

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[bucket]

Fair play Team Man, I based my mk2 frame on a leaflet 4 or 5 years old for Barber replica frames, they advertise a Rotrax mk1 frame that has a 22" rear wheel and a mk2 with a 19" wheel and a frame that looks similar to a Jawa one.

 

So when they changed to a 19" wheel did they alter the frame dimensions as surely the footrest and bottom of bike would have dropped closer to the track? I have to ask as being a young chap of 39 this was all before my time and I'm ignorant of these things!

 

 

Looking through Jeff Clews book- JAP: the end of an era, he features a picture of one of his JAPS housed in an Erskine frame that also looks like the Barber mk2 Rotrax, so now i'm confused!

 

One thing is for sure if it is a 1953 Rotrax frame then it must be one of early ones as according to the book 'The Stadium' Southampton by C.R. Bradley Rotrax made speedway frames between 1953 and 1960.

 

Here ends my book review!!!!

 

Do I take it you're the same Team Man that's put a couple of posts on the vintage speedway forum? I'll try to get along to Beaulieu in June, I went about 5 years ago and had a great day. The men in black put on a great display, do they not have a website to show off their machines and exhibition races?

[Team Man]

Sorry Bucket, I wasn't Trying to be high handed or pedantic, its just that I had never come across curved back ends on the Rotrax, certainly not on the bikes I have owned.

 

I thought the curved rear end was ESO later Jawa.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Tho...trax-Mark-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Tho...trax-Mark-2.jpg

 

These Pictures are from the Rotrax pamphlet, not pictures of ones I have owned

 

PS

I won't be at Bealieu but I will be at the BMF next weekend, and yes I am the same Team Man.

Edited May 18, 2005 by Team Man