Lioness Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Lt you bring out the worst in me! :twisted: I refuse to answer your comments on the grounds I'll get banned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 I thought Gollob might have given Rickardsson a run for his money in the Final - but he drew the dreaded gate 3, which by the second half of the meeting was hopeless. Poor old Scott Nicholls, who had ridden into the main event relatively easily, then ended up with gate 3 twice and soon said bye bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Mark Loram.Glad they had some sort of fitness test but sounded more like an agreement to me. Not convinced he should have been awarded the points. Does this now opens the flood gates to lots of appeals in the future? Yes, indeed. Doesn't seem fair that Lee Richardson, for example, rode his hardest and only ended up with 2 more points than Mark who didn't ride at all. Not only that but we had to watch races with only 3 riders because Loram had pulled out. What about Andreas Jonsson? He might as well have done the same just to get the 5 points. I think this is setting a very dangerous precedent, but what do others think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 It is a bit of a dodgy one this....but I guess the right people felt that Mark was there to make a genuine attempt to race despite his injuries. Also, after making that effort, it was too late to replace him. Let's not forget he's paid for those points too, I suppose. In more ways than one ! Let's hope he's fit and fast for the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 I call: 1. Tony R 2. N Pedersen 3. T Gollob 4. J Crump Having said that I had a punt on Nicki at 16/1. I see he started out at 25/1, so I can't be the only one. A wee toot on my own trumpet first - not a bad prediction eh? Gotta say though I fear Tony is going to run away with it this year. The pressure is really on Crump and Sullivan already. u could had least got the other 2 places right what up with yer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Mark Loram.Glad they had some sort of fitness test but sounded more like an agreement to me. Not convinced he should have been awarded the points. Does this now opens the flood gates to lots of appeals in the future? Yes, indeed. Doesn't seem fair that Lee Richardson, for example, rode his hardest and only ended up with 2 more points than Mark who didn't ride at all. Not only that but we had to watch races with only 3 riders because Loram had pulled out. What about Andreas Jonsson? He might as well have done the same just to get the 5 points. I think this is setting a very dangerous precedent, but what do others think? Now all due respect - you are not being very fair. A good friend of a good friend of mine is a very good friend of Mark ... and spent Friday evening with him and his mechanic. Mark showed all indication of his intention of riding the next day. In deed what clinches it for me is that Mark went to bed early in preparation - and didn't stay up until the early hours drinking with the rest of them - If he was not serious I could not see him making such a great sacrifice ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Just going by what Mark said in this week's Speedway Star when he said the injury has "a long way to go yet" so it didn't seem to me very likely he would be fit enough to ride. I think the point I was trying to make was whether he should have been awarded the points or not without having set foot on the track. It has not happened before but you can bet your life it will happen again now the precedent has been set. Hopefully Mark will be fully recovered for the British Grand Prix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 What about Andreas Jonsson? He might as well have done the same just to get the 5 points. I think this is setting a very dangerous precedent, but what do others think? That's what I thought when I heard the decision taken with Loram - If Andreas lodgesan appeal, and imo he should, the FIM will find it extremely hard to justify not awarding him the points. I believe the correct decision was taken with Mark, and the five points he got were a result of his qualifying position from last year so they were deserved - he earnt them on the track. He will be at a disadvantage in the next GP because he'll have to start in the qualifiers, so what goes round comes round. A good decision from the FIM, only spoilt because they haven't (yet) extended the ruling to Andreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 What about Andreas Jonsson? He might as well have done the same just to get the 5 points. I think this is setting a very dangerous precedent, but what do others think? That's what I thought when I heard the decision taken with Loram - If Andreas lodgesan appeal, and imo he should, the FIM will find it extremely hard to justify not awarding him the points. Doesn't apply to Andreas as he wasn't in the Main Event, he would only have been awarded a point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 What about Andreas Jonsson? He might as well have done the same just to get the 5 points. I think this is setting a very dangerous precedent, but what do others think? That's what I thought when I heard the decision taken with Loram - If Andreas lodgesan appeal, and imo he should, the FIM will find it extremely hard to justify not awarding him the points. Doesn't apply to Andreas as he wasn't in the Main Event, he would only have been awarded a point! Sure LW, you are correct, but nonetheless he should be entitled to it (imo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 In this case I don't think Andreas should get his point as he had declared himself unfit and a replacement had been brought in. But its certainly going to open a can of worms for future gps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 By declaring himself unfit he gave the opportunity for his place to be filled by someone else - why should he be punished for that? Food for thought :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 The difference is Mark didn't declare himself unfit - he presented himself for the GP, as per regulations, - as did Sully - However Sully was allowed to compete and Mark was not. Lets face it Mark would have saved alot of money had he stayed at home. I do think he intended to ride if at all possible. Lots of riders ride whilst injured (probably not advisable - but they do). For example Stoney rode with a broken Scaphoid, Jason Lyons rode with the skin of his had hanging off - etc, etc. The FIM stopped him - and awaded him the minimum points - which he most likely would have exceeded had he been able to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy123 Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 What an awful meeting! For god sake Olsen put some f***in dirt down. We might actually get some decent racing if you do. Sorry to swear but i found the meeting so boring and struggled to watch it and im a speedway fan. Think of how the non speedway fans would have felt watching that. They would have turned off after a couple of heats. What were they riding on? To me it looked like some kind of powder not shale! If that track would have had a bit if dirt on it would have been a top meeting. The shape of the track is superb and the surface had bedded down from last season so for it to be so slick was very annoying. a majority of the tracks for gp's, lets face it, are sh***. I only ask to go to cardiff cos its an enjoyable weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Addy - I'm not questioning Mark's intentions for one minute, and I too believe he had every intention of riding and no doubt, as you rightly say, scoring more points than five. Are you saying Andreas should have turned up at the GP if he wanted to be awarded his point, because as far as I can see that's the only difference, or am I missing something? One thing is for sure as LW says, that the can of worms is now well and truely open with the FIM seemingly bringing in a new rule for Mark. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 What an awful meeting! Think of how the non speedway fans would have felt watching that. They would have turned off after a couple of heats. Honestly.... I was sat in the pub watching the GP with another speedway fan and about 12 non fans and too be honest I was hoping to win a few of them over for the sake of the sport, alas not, they still think it's boring, in their words "first out the trap wins" which as I watched each race that was exactly how it looked, Holte, Pedersen...well done... Tony Rickardsson .... hurts me to say it but he was pure class! Every inch a World Champ again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 will be very interesting come the end of the GP.... think of a possible scenario... Loram beats Jonsson by 4 points to grab the 10th qualifying place for next year. What will they do? yes i know they will probably give a wild card but that's not the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 My point exactly Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Just going by what Mark said in this week's Speedway Star when he said the injury has "a long way to go yet" so it didn't seem to me very likely he would be fit enough to ride. What if i said that the recent info I have is from a similar source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Addy - I'm not questioning Mark's intentions for one minute, and I too believe he had every intention of riding and no doubt, as you rightly say, scoring more points than five. Are you saying Andreas should have turned up at the GP if he wanted to be awarded his point, because as far as I can see that's the only difference, or am I missing something? One thing is for sure as LW says, that the can of worms is now well and truely open with the FIM seemingly bringing in a new rule for Mark. :roll: AJ had the choice of turning up - he chose not to. See ICQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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