Guest BilaHora Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 iris123 I cannot see a problem for a Latvian team. After all Latvia and Poland are both European Union states. As regards the Ukraine, I suppose it all depends on the outcome of the election on Boxing Day. Regards BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) Could be right,don't know what the border police are like in Latvia but the report i read stated that the Polish teams were losing money not only to grease a few palms,so to speak.The added problem with Latvia is the Polish teams have to cross 2 borders or go by ship Edited December 16, 2004 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilaHora Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 iris123 I really need to get an up-dated atlas. My atlas is from before the break-up of the Soviet Union and I thought Poland and Latvia would share a common border, which, it seems from your post they do not. However, I would have thought Belorus would a more likely transit country than Ukraine and, in that case, I would not be so surprised at border problems. Belorus is very much in the Vladimir Putin camp and Belorus and the Russian Federation may re-unite at some time in the future. Of course, the western parts of both Ukraine and Belorus were part of Poland between the wars. Regards BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 My geography is also not that good.Thats why i had to look and saw that Lithuania lies in the way.It seems that the Polish teams in the second division,not excactly well off anyway were not too keen on the travelling costs(as mentioned not all above board) involved in having Lwow in the league this year.Even less keen on Rowne and Daugavpils next,hence my asking Latvian-Speedway if he knew of any further developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilaHora Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) iris123 Well, Lvov is in Ukraine, although between the wars it was in Poland. However, without getting too political, I think the outcome of the Presidential election in Ukraine on Boxing Day could be significant. If the opposition candidate, Viktor Yushchenko wins then Ukraine will probably look to the west and the European Union, which would make it easier. However, both Lithuania and Latvia are members of the European Union and, as such, travelling from Poland to Latvia should cause no border problems and if it does they should be reported to the European Union. That said, it might be quicker to travel across Belorus to get to Daugavpils. Regards BilaHora Edited December 16, 2004 by BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Indeed Lvov and Rovno are in the Ukraine and we hope for a fair and democratic outcome I was rather surprised that given the shared border and the advantages(IMO) to both sides thatno team from Germany was seeking a place in the Polish league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilaHora Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 iris123 To expand your idea a little more (and to take the topic even further off-topic), would it be an idea to have the Polish league as the basis for a wider central european league, comprising German, Polish, Latvian, Ukrianian and Czech Republic teams? Regards BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Yes! I think it would be a great idea.My own, based on an idea mooted last season that a couple of tracks shared assets and entered a team in the Bundesliga(it never happened),would be to share assets to form a good squad and help the development of the young German riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hi everyone! I think you will at least get the Krsko stadium plan and the map of links to Krsko from all major towns very soon, Ive just sent them to Phil. I will also try to get other useful informations for you. Greetings from Krsko! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi sunnygirl, thanks for the information. I guess you are Slovenian as you posted your greetings from Krsko? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygirl Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hi sunnygirl, thanks for the information. I guess you are Slovenian as you posted your greetings from Krsko? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Timbo! Yes I am. I work at Stadium Matije Gubec on all major speedway meetings and help a lot for the GPs. Its true that Krsko is a very small town but the coutryside all around it is worth seeing. As you probably know we usually get some really interesting racing on the track. All the GP riders love this track! So I would invite you all to visit this GP!!! Anyway, about travel to Slovenia: -Zagreb is the closest airport of all, takes you less than 1hr to get to Krsko (with crossing the boarder, usually no problems), with car rental or taxi service. Also there is a major railwayroute going from Zagreb to Ljubljana with stops in Krsko but I would have to check timetable.... -Ljubljana airport is 2nd closest (Easyjet, Air France, Adria airways..), takes you about 1,5-2hrs to get to Krsko, car rentals and taxi service there aswell. Airport called Brnik is a little out of the city so you would have to get to Ljubljana first and then take the train in the opposite direction (Ljubljana-Krsko). -Other alternatives are Ryanair airports in Trieste and Graz (check the map in Phils post!), Trieste (Ronchi airport) is really cheap and pretty cheap car rental there aswell (people from western EU use it a lot in summer time to travel to Croatian coast), Austria is more expensive. From both directions it shoudnt take you more than 2,5hrs to get to Krsko! Ok, so much about traveling to Slovenia. Next time Ill try to get more info about accommodation... If you have any other questions, just ask! Sonja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest latvian-speedway Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 @ iris123 Yeah, we'll race in Polish 2nd league next year and our legioners will be C.Hefenbrock and D.Gizatullin. What about Krsko 2006? Is any information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 @ iris123Yeah, we'll race in Polish 2nd league next year and our legioners will be C.Hefenbrock and D.Gizatullin. Good luck go Hefe,go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygirl Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 What about Krsko 2006? Is any information? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Unfortunately, we dont know that yet. Again it depends on deal with the BSI. Its true that first two GPs in Krsko didnt bring much money to the club so why working for red numbers. Last GP was better. So maybe one more in 2006.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilaHora Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Ms sunnygirl Not altogether connected to the Grand Prix, but I am rather interested in the name of your stadium. I understand the stadium was built by the local people in memory of a local peasant hero Matije Gubec. Who was Matije Gubec and what did he do? Regards BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darija Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hello people! I'm from Croatia and I travel often to Krsko (cause of speedway, od course!) and I would recommend you to stay in Zagreb. The city is beautiful, there's many places to see and great for shopping. It has many hotels, if you want more information, e-mail me at: darija.pavlic@public.srce.hr I think that border shouldn't be a problem. There's highway till border and you're there in 45 min. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazpozrl Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Ms sunnygirl Not altogether connected to the Grand Prix, but I am rather interested in the name of your stadium. I understand the stadium was built by the local people in memory of a local peasant hero Matije Gubec. Who was Matije Gubec and what did he do? Regards BilaHora <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi BilaHora I'm not sunnygirl, but here are some infos about Matija Gubec. He was a leader of a great croatian-slovenian peasant revolt in 1573. Here are some more details about Gubec : The leader of the Peasants’ Revolt is generally known in literature as Matija Gubec. He was probably aged 35 at the time of the revolt. Gubec was in charge of preparations for the revolt and was at the head of a part of the peasants’ army in Zagorje (Croatia). Some participants in the revolt claimed he had been proclaimed peasants’ king. When the revolt was put down, he was captured and taken to Zagreb where he was, according to some sources, tortured with incandescent pincers, crowned with an incandescent iron crown, and quartered at the end. And some details on the revolt : With the frequent inroads and depredations of the Turks the Croatian peasantry was reduced to extreme poverty. At the same time the Croatian nobility oppressed them all the more with taxes and corvées in order to fortify their towns for the defense against the Turks. When Maximilian II issued an edict for the collection of the new royal tax in the Slavonian regions the Croatian peasantry revolted. The brutality and greed of a certain feudal lord Franjs Tahy was the immediate cause of this uprising. "Back to the old justice" soon became the insurgents’ rallying cry and an evergreen sprig in their hat was their symbol. They demanded freedom and equality with the other Croats for all peasants in accordance with the old Croatian law, the abolishment of the corvées, the redistribution of the tax burden among the estates equally, the equal participation of all classes in the military service and the election by the peasants of their own representatives in each village and of their own district chiefs. The uprising began in Susjedgrad and Stubica in the Croatian hinterland at the end of 1573 and quickly spread throughout the other Croatian regions and in neighbouring Slovenia. Its leaders were Matija Gubec, Ivan Pasanca and Ilija Gregoric. With the aid of Austrian troops sent by Maximilian the Croatian nobility crushed the poorly equipped and untrained peasant army. The ringleaders of the uprising were executed and one of them, Matija Gubec had a red-hot iron crown placed on his head. (34) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darija Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 (edited) NICEEE Tommy!!! Just want to say that Matija Gubec was Croatian (jupiii!!!) and his name is on biggest and prettiest GP stadium in Slovenia! Edited December 21, 2004 by Darija Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilaHora Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Mr Pozrl Many thanks for the information. Regards BilaHora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygirl Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hello! Tomaz, you really are freak!!!! Where did you find all that?! Yes, Gubec was Croatian, but this big revolt of his was taking place on the land of Krsko, just where the stadium was built... Have a good day! Sonja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazpozrl Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Tomaz, you really are freak!!!! Where did you find all that?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, freak is my middle name. No, seriously. If you're used to internet and all the mechanism it offers, it's basically pretty easy to find information such as this. GOOGLE is the mysterious word. Just write Matija Gubec peasant revolt in the search bar and you get a lot of info on Gubec and the revolt. It's as easy as that. Tomaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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