referees...

[Guest BilaHora]

All

 

This is my first post at this forum. I followed various speedway tracks from 1982 until 1992 when my local track closed but, with the advent of the Grand Prix series being on Sky my interest has been rekindled.

I have noticed, during the various Grand Prix, what I perceive to be a difference between British referees and Polish referees and wonder what thoughts others might have.

It seems to me that a Polish referee is prepared to make tough and more proactive decisions than a British referee. A Polish referee will not automatically bring all four riders back after a first bend incident while a British referee will usually take the easy way and call all four back. Witness the first bend incident during the British Grand Prix when Lee Richardson was excluded - with a British referee it would surely have been all four back. Certainly, at Bydgosczc, a British referee called all four riders back in first bend incidents where an exclusion could have been warranted.

Then, for an incident after the first bend, a Polish referee seems to willing to accept the concept of a "...racing incident" and bring all four riders back, while a British referee will usually exclude a given rider as being "...the primary cause of the stoppage". In Prague, twice, all four were called back after incidents after the first bend, although many would suggest Nicki Pedersen should have been excluded. On the other hand, Bjarne Pedersen was excluded at Bydgoszcz in a second lap incident by a British referee, when I thought a better decision might have been a "...racing incident" and all four back.

Now, I could be wrong, but I see this difference and wondered if any of the experts here had any views. If there is a difference which style of refereeing is better and should the rule book be altered to accommodate new guidelines?

I look forward to any replies that may be forthcoming.

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

[Guest BilaHora]

All

 

It looks as if I noticed wrong.

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

[beercellar]

All

 

This is my first post at this forum. I followed various speedway tracks from 1982 until 1992 when my local track closed but, with the advent of the Grand Prix series being on Sky my interest has been rekindled.

I have noticed, during the various Grand Prix, what I perceive to be a difference between British referees and Polish referees and wonder what thoughts others might have.

It seems to me that a Polish referee is prepared to make tough and more proactive decisions than a British referee. A Polish referee will not automatically bring all four riders back after a first bend incident while a British referee will usually take the easy way and call all four back. Witness the first bend incident during the British Grand Prix when Lee Richardson was excluded - with a British referee it would surely have been all four back. Certainly, at Bydgosczc, a British referee called all four riders back in first bend incidents where an exclusion could have been warranted.

Then, for an incident after the first bend, a Polish referee seems to willing to accept the concept of a "...racing incident" and bring all four riders back, while a British referee will usually exclude a given rider as being "...the primary cause of the stoppage". In Prague, twice, all four were called back after incidents after the first bend, although many would suggest Nicki Pedersen should have been excluded. On the other hand, Bjarne Pedersen was excluded at Bydgoszcz in a second lap incident by a British referee, when I thought a better decision might have been a "...racing incident" and all four back.

Now, I could be wrong, but I see this difference and wondered if any of the experts here had any views. If there is a difference which style of refereeing is better and should the rule book be altered to accommodate new guidelines?

I look forward to any replies that may be forthcoming.

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

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i totaley agree with u on this one,the refs do make bad decisions,bydgoszcz was a good example & prague .think the polish refs are def better,as they ex even if your messing around at the tapes.

[Bandits4eva]

as they ex even if your messing around at the tapes.

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which is completely how it should be done

[SCB]

On the other hand, Bjarne Pedersen was excluded at Bydgoszcz in a second lap incident by a British referee, when I thought a better decision might have been a "...racing incident" and all four back.

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You CANNOT have all 4 back after the start, all 4 back is the term that has bene given to an unsatisfactory start, when does the start finish? To me it on the entrance to the 1st bend, never should it be all 4back after the apex of the 1st and second bend according to the rules, although I do agree that it should be allowed, sadly a referee does not have the power to do so. I can' work out how a referee let Nicki Pedersen back in that heat when he wiped out Hancock, that was never unsatisfactory starting!!

 

 

Looking back I agree but I had not notice that it was a Polish/GB ref thing but yes, it does seem to be.

[Guest BilaHora]

Mr SCB

 

Why not?

Why can the concept of a "...racing incident" not be brought into speedway, especially in the Grand Prix series where the stakes are so high?

As I said in my initial submission, should the rules be altered to allow for the concept of a "...racing incident"?

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

Edited October 18, 2004 by BilaHora

[SCB]

I did say that I agree it should be allowed but my point was the Polish referee's were wrong to exclude the riders after the 2nd bend and whoever didnt exclude Nicki Pedersen was wrong.

[Guest BilaHora]

Mr SCB

 

Assuming that you meant to say that the Polish referee was wrong NOT to exclude riders after the second bend, I have to surrender to your superior knowledge of the rule book as it currently stands. Which begs the question as to whether any sanction was taken against the referee involved?

 

All

 

A little further information about myself and speedway. I started watching speedway mid-1982 season at Berrington Lough, then the home of Berwick Bandits. In further seasons I branched out to watch speedway extensively at Newcastle and Edinburgh, as well as Berwick. With the closure of Berwick after the Terry Linden fiasco I drifted away from speedway.

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

Edited October 18, 2004 by BilaHora

[sjw ministerofport]

I agree with what you said about the Nicki Pedersen incident SCB but in the same meeting a few races earlier Tony Rickardsen was bought down even further along the straight, and all four riders were put back in the race. I don't think that Tony was to blame but how could it be clased as first bend bunching.

[Waspie]

this years british gp at cardiff, there was a polish ref incharge, surly its obvious to put a british ref in charge for comunication reasons?

[Rico]

I think you'll find that Marek Wojaczek's grasp of the English language is pretty good and isn't an issue when it comes to communicating with the riders.

 

Rico

[Addy]

Have to say I was impressed by your grasp of the Polish language on Friday, Rico

[SCB]

this years british gp at cardiff, there was a polish ref incharge, surly its obvious to put a british ref in charge for comunication reasons?

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Or you could learn Polish you lazy person!

 

I think you'll find that Marek Wojaczek's grasp of the English language is pretty good and isn't an issue when it comes to communicating with the riders.

 

Rico 

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I'm guessing Waspie knows exactly how good Marek Wojackeks grasp of the English language is, having had to work with him at Cardiff.

[Rico]

I'm guessing Waspie knows exactly how good Marek Wojackeks grasp of the English language is, having had to work with him at Cardiff.

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That makes the comment even worse then !

 

A colleague and I had a good conversation with Marek at practice and he certainly wasn't struggling with his English.

 

Rico

[Guest BilaHora]

All

 

I thought that Mr Wojaczek's handling of the British Grand Prix was excellent, although I did feel there was a case for excluding Rune Holta in the first bend incident in the original running of the heat in which he later clashed with Hans Andersen.

Furthermore, apart from "wild cards" the riders remain the same during the whole series and, as such, what difference does the nationality of the referee matter - he is always going to be dealing with the same riders from the same nationalities.

I would say that the FIM, or whoever, mandates that the referee is not from the host nation and thus "...home" decisions should not occur. In saying that, Tomasz Gollob got a couple of "...home" decisions at Bydgoszcz - and the referee was British!

 

Regards

 

BilaHora

Edited October 19, 2004 by BilaHora