Conkers Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Acording to an FIM Press release, the French Motorcyling Authorities carried out doping tests at the Marmande round of the Longtrack championship on 13th July. Mathias Kroger was one of those tested and he was found to have 296 nanograms/ml of a drug called Salbutamol. This appears to be a controlled substance, which can be used with a Therpuutic Use Exemption. Kroger had not requested such a TUE document. He has been fined CHF 200, and his 8th place has been stripped from him. He has also had a warning. Kroger admitted using the drug. Salbutamol is used in asthma treatment as it opens the airway. Do any of our German friends know if Mathias is asthmatic? The press release can be found here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha en bra födelsedag Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 I use salbutamol because i have asthma, and i can't see how it would help a long track rider perform better. From what my doctor told me the only sport it might help perform better is swimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted October 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Having been involved in Drug education, I do know that Salbutamol has it's abusers, but there is additional information that I was reading here. I can see your point, however, that is why I was wondering if Kroger was an asthma sufferer or had shortness of breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) Salbutamol is not a controlled substance. It's what is known as a beta2-adrenergic bronchodilator. Adrenergic bronchodilators are medicines that are breathed in through the mouth to open up the bronchial tubes (air passages) of the lungs. It can be given intravenously too in severe cases of asthma. It is used to treat the symptoms of asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and other lung diseases, while others medications are used to prevent the symptoms. It is definitely not a perfomancing enhancing drug. Not sure why people would want to be a Salbutamol abuser as it speeds up the heart, causes arrythmias and makes you shake if taken in excess. Edited October 5, 2004 by Midnight_Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha en bra födelsedag Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 I was told it might help you with swimming. Thanx for the information. I used to have an irregular heart beat and i was never told to use my inhalor with caution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 The reason it can help with swimming is that it opens the airways up therefore makes the breathing during swimming much easier for someone with lung problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) anyone who has asthma will tell you this medication is a blessing, it allows them to live a normal life.. as far as performance enhancing, nah.. no way... at least in speedway or longtrack...the authorities need to back off the young fella on this one..they are wayyyyy off base.. Edited October 5, 2004 by sandman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a61 Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Super Nurse ML to the rescue IS IT ANABOLIC? The association of Salbutamol with anabolic effects appears to be more to do with Salbutamol's close chemical relationship to CLENBUTEROL (angel-dust), a well known and abused Veterinary drug, than to do with direct evidence. In an attempt to curb an alarming rise in the use of Salbutamol and other Beta Agonists during past Winter Olympics especially, WADA and the IOC introduced stringent controls on their levels, as well as mandatory proof by an independent expert that athletes were in fact asthmatic. To quote a Pharmacist's "bible" on drugs "Martindale", "the abuse of Sympathomimetics in sport is well documented, but there is little evidence that they have any effect on athletes stamina or physical ability" ref. Domhnall macAuley, Drugs in Sport BMJ 1996 313. SO HOW WOULD IT BENEFIT AN ATHLETE? If proven to be Anabolic, the drug could be used in pre-season training to help build up muscle mass, and allow the athlete to "put on bulk" by muscle growth. The increased muscle should lead to increased strength. It would have little or no effect if taken in a short period, or with the hope of some immediate effect. This applies to almost all anabolic drugs, even steroids, and this is the main reason for "out of competition" testing having been introduced in the past. None of these effects has as yet been clinically demonstrated with Salbutamol Taken from here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Not sure why people would want to be a Salbutamol abuser as it speeds up the heart,.....<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have you not answered your own question? Doesn't speeding up the heart give a buzz of some sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a61 Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 If cardiac arrest gives you a buzz Salbutamol, if taken in a high enough dose gives an effect very similar to Nitrous Oxide. Waves of numbness go across your body and you feel as though removed from your body for about 30 seconds. It can also increase heart rate to around 200bpm. This can be taken by puncturing or otherwise altering a dispenser to fire continuously. Taken from here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 If cardiac arrest gives you a buzz Ok, ok! I know other drugs raise your heart beat, extasy for a start as that is, I believe, what causes death when taking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whacko Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 nowt wrong with a lil easy easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stanclrules Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 just to answer one question: Mr. Kroger IS an asthmatic... but I'm wondering that he was fined, because the FIM must know what he's suffered from, he doesn't get a FIM-Licence without a document from a doctor, who says he ok for getting a licence and in that document must be a complete check of his physical shape and if he's an asthmatic it must be written down in this document plus his medicin he needs.. understandable?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 So in other words he shouldn't have been fined. Looks like someone has slipped up somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 So in other words he shouldn't have been fined. Looks like someone has slipped up somewhere <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Or there is so much paper work that Mathias didn't realise he had to fill the form in. Everything these days involves paper work, even filling in paper works requires you to fill in paper work before hand to get permission! If it's on his license application, wheres the problem? To the person with common sense, there is no problem, to the FIM and other big organisations, there is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I re-read the press release again, and it appears that had Kroger had the Theraputic Use Exemption he would not have been fined. The press release stated he did not apply for the TUE for the drug. As for the illegal use of Salbutamol, yes the heart rate increasing does give some people a rush. Ecstacy does have a similar side effect, but also increases bodily heat and can cause dehydration. Interestingly enough, they stopped making Methyldioxymethamphetamine (MDMA - the clinical name for Ecstacy) in 1984. All the MDMA available now is made illegally and it is very rare for a pure MDMA tablet to be found, although they do turn up. Have a look at this link if you are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Have you not answered your own question? Doesn't speeding up the heart give a buzz of some sort? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you can't get a buzz risking your life riding a bike at break neck speed then there is something seriously lacking your life! My little lad has to have this stuff through a nebulizer (sp) believe me it doesn't do anything for him except make his breathing a lot easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 If you can't get a buzz risking your life riding a bike at break neck speed then there is something seriously lacking your life! You'd like to think so but I can name 3 riders who have been banned from British Speedway in the last 4 years for drug use, all recreational My little lad has to have this stuff through a nebulizer (sp) believe me it doesn't do anything for him except make his breathing a lot easier! But does he take it in high doses? Drink enough cough medicine and it'll give you an effect the makers didnt expect it to have and people might abuse that, as they do with other things. I assume this is what taking this stuff has in large quantities does, give some other effect. Any way, it's not relevent, Mathias has been confimed as astmhatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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