mark cox Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 The climax of World Speedway Championship is expected to be a great occasion, watched by the committed and maybe a few new converts, witnessing a fitting climax to a tremendous season of our fantastic sport! Cheers to Ole for providing a dusty non-watered cycle speedway track for our entertainment! Not one overtaking in some Norwegian glorified oval shed with no rain guaranteed is a pathetic performance and makes me almost agree with the 'ol farts brigade in their longing for the unpredictability of the old one-off finals. At least the best man won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Ahh! another convert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Not one overtaking in some Norwegian glorified oval shed <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didnt see Crumpy pass Hampel in heat 11(?). What about Nicki passing Crumpy just after Crumpy had won the WC or Crumpy going from 1st to 4th in his next ride  Take away the battle for 8th, 3rd and 1st nd it was a mind numingly boring meeting, but hey, thats the GP's for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Not one overtaking in some Norwegian glorified oval shed with no rain guaranteed is a pathetic performance and makes me almost agree with the 'ol farts brigade in their longing for the unpredictability of the old one-off finals.At least the best man won. Eh???? Did you never see a one off World final where the track was slick and produced vitually no racing? If you didn't then I guess you missed quite a few of them! The beauty of the GP series is that it helps to ensure that the best man does win. Even though one meeting doesn't provide the best track, there were still 8 others to help decide the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Yes, but the Grand Prix format also really produced a bit of an anti-climax with Crumpie being crowned before he even started that farcical re-run "God knows how many times "race. At one stage I thought that they were going to end it all there by presenting Crumpie with the trophy while sitting on the deck having just "stacked it". Â After that you virtually knew that he wasn't going to risk going all out to get into the Final. Â While I am glad he won it and agree deep down that this year he deserved it, I cannot agree that the Grand Prix is that much better than the old way of qualifying rounds and a FINAL. Â That of course is the personal opinion of someone classified as one of the " 'ol farts brigade" who has enjoyed his speedway since his first meeting at West Ham in 1964, or maybe someone who likes the World Champion decision to go to the last heat ! ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Congrats to Jason, as great as the old man was, Jason did something Phil couldnt.. It is always difficult for the son of a great speedway racer to step out from the shadow..I havent had a chance to watch the meeting yet, but if it was slick, and dusty, it would be another nail in the coffin of this great sport. Being on the sky media stage, this may be our last chance to get a broader audience around the world.. If the track was as slick as it seems by the title of this thread im glad i didnt go, its much easier to turn on and off the television than travel great distances, pay for rental car, hotel, food etc.. When will they learn? But... this isnt meant to denigrate Jasons night... Well done to a worthy champ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Yes have to agree with Mark, this wouldn't have converted any neutrals or quash the 'first out the gate wins' tag, a great shame as all have said before Crumpy deserved it. Maybe the new format will work better next year for a finale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 the surface looked like Colwyn Bay beach. The track is narrow enough without laying such rubbish on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 the surface looked like Colwyn Bay beach.The track is narrow enough without laying such rubbish on it <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought you'd have been used to seeing tracks like the one last night Splatty  Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 You will always get boring meetings, and last nights was no exception. But, you'd think with the wealth of talent available in preparing a good track at least one of these guys would be available for every GP meeting. Â When our sport is on tele, please Ole give the riders a track they can race on and let these guys show the channel flickers we have a fantastic product on offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I thought you'd have been used to seeing tracks like the one last night Splatty  Rico  where could you be talking about?!  nah that one last night at least had some depth for the tyres to grip on to - but I wouldn't have thought sand was the best idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Surely next season they could get somebody different to do tracks(?) Â Ole was the guy who came up with the 24 rider format and thats probably one of the reasons they had to keep him (?) maybe with a new format we can get a new R.D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Norman Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Until recently. I loved the Grand Prixs. Always great entertainment. The man made tracks gave a different type of excitement. But always lots of passing and excitement. Â Recently they've been boring. Reason? Rubbish track preparation. Sort it Postlethaite. There can be no excuses. The track is more important than the format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I can't believe i'm doing this but........in Ole's defence we have started to see some great racing on the temporary tracks this season My biggest wish is that the tracks can be prepared fairly - no tricking riders between practice and racenight - none of the nonsense such as Danish riders being privvy to the conditions - or in the case of Bydgoszcz the Danes and the Poles - and what was that all about?! Bydgoszcz is perhaps the greatest racers circuit and they took all the dirt off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I'm a GP convert. In my mind, anyone who trots out the "it wi' better in ma day wi' t'old one-off finals" line must have cleansed their minds of Pocking, Norden, Vojens, Munich etc. Â But having said that, why Norway is the climax for the series is beyond me. It is quite obviously the least atmospheric venue of all and with a very questionable track. A World Champion should be crowned on a grander stage than this surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Firstly congratulations to Jason Crump on winning his first world title,he earned it and he deserves it. Â I,myself are a critic of modern day speedway tracks,especially temporary ones.The shale appears to be of a powdery nature,very fine but inclined to get wet very quickly and also making it hell to work with when wet.Passing on such is at a premium,most heats can be processional which we witnessed in Hamar.Even Bydgosh (cannot spell it)was slicker than normal this season.Temporary tracks seem also to cut up more than perm.ones as well.This is something we have to get used to. Â Jason's win should do Australian speedway a power of good.Do we have the possibility of an Australian gp in 2006 to be added to the rounds?.It could replace one of the two rounds currently being enjoyed by Poland i think it is.Once again congatulations to Jason,a worthy addition to the list of the Aces world champions,past and present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Do we have the possibility of an Australian gp in 2006 to be added to the rounds?.It could replace one of the two rounds currently being enjoyed by Poland i think it is.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just leave two rounds in Poland thanks very much Both were well attended this season and I don't see any reason to remove either of them, especially as they are on permanent tracks. Sweden has also staged two rounds of GPs this season, both on temporary tracks but that situation seems unlikely to continue with permanent tracks being considered. Â I can't imagine an Aussie GP being contemplated for next season. Although the reduction in riders makes it more feasible to consider again in the future. Â Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Speedway has one chance through Sky to break through and become main stream. Instead of grasping the oppurtunity and making a show of it, the racing, at least half of the time due to the condition of the tracks has been processional.. As much as I admire Ole Olsens accomplishments from the past, and some of his good changes concerning bringing speedway into the 21st century, there is a huge lack of proper track preparation for such important meetings.. Instead of bringing in many new converts, it is getting stale, even losing some of us die hards along the way.. I try to brag up the sport, we get the television warmed up only for people i invite over to watch tell me how there is no passing, first out off the start wins and its boring to them..How many others that tune in feel the same? I dont know but it cant be good for this sport which has the potential to become really big..Maybe it is time for Ole to pass the torch to some young blood.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Sure I saw some overtaking in the Norway SGP ...... No, No sorry my mistake ... The riders were on there way to the tapes from the pits. Â If benfield want series to be more competitive lay a better track. The gp was toilette pour homme. Â Congratulations to Crumpie on being world champion. Well deserved. Â Congratulations to tricks on 2nd overall and winning the Norway sgp. Â Congratulations to greg on his 3rd overall. Â Congratulations to ole olsen and benfield for making the last 2 sgp s like formula 1 ... No overtaking and boring Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.The only incidents being on the first corner. Â If they want to make the sport appeal to the non speedway supporter and fill stadiums as small as Hamar they need to look at the track and make as many racing lines as possible. So that we get overtaking, passing and close fought racing. Not the procession I watched on staturday and endured for 3 hours ........ Â The conclusion of the World Championship a battle for 3/4 th place. Drama as riders hoped to qualify for next years series and it proved to be the biggest anti climax and a complete crock of rubbishe !!!! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Bandit Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Sorry but the better the riders then the less chance of mistakes being made and so the less chance of overtaking - regardless of the quality of the track. It's not a new phenomenon in speedway, it's not even unique to our sport. Formula 1 is not the most exciting form of motor racing ... it is simply where the best riders race. GP speedway is no different. Ivan Mauger didn't win six titles because he was the greatest racer but because he consistently came out of the second bend ahead. Peter Collins won only once because he didn't, Mark Loram has the same problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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