RogH Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Someone on another board said that points for the final will be awarded as now, i.e 25,20,18,16 with nothing extra for 3rd or 4th place in the semis. Therefore, a rider getting a 15 point max and winning the final would get 40 GP points. I wonder if the heats for the main body of the meeting will be in the traditional order, if so how will they number the riders. Could be the first race of GP 2005 will feature Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 RogH, I'm sure the 25,20,18 and 16 points would replace any points scored in the qualifiers, not be in addition. So theoretically you could have a rider who gets a 15 point max then flunks the semi-final, they still get 15 points, only 1 less than last in the final. Conversely you could get a rider who has a couple of duff rides during the meeting, scores 7 points but scrapes in to the semis. He is effectively racing for 18 extra points if he wins the final, whereas someone who scored 14 during the meeting is effectively only racing for 11 extra points. Bottom line, as Mr Adams would say, "it's all about making the A final". The system has it's pros and cons like any other. Personally I'm happy to give it a go as I think it will work. Meetings will be building up to a crescendo as they do at present. The semi-finals really are win or bust and the final retains it's current importance, ie it's everything. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I wonder if the heats for the main body of the meeting will be in the traditional order, if so how will they number the riders.Could be the first race of GP 2005 will feature Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The first race of every GP in 2005 will feature Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams in this case!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 That system outlined above does sound like a decent compromise, although not quite what JP said last night as every point scored doesn't count if you make the final. Maybe I'm just grumpy because they've finally brought back a system where you are guaranteed to see every rider 5 times and we'll have to suffer the dismal Chrzanowski rather than seeing the wonderful Pepe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I'd like to know what is wrong with the current format - if it aint broke why fix it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 2 reasons Increases prize money by reducing the field and Raises the average standard of rider competing in the field (was very careful how I worded that sentence ) Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Just my twopennyworth ! Which I posted on another thread "sorry" Next years format IMO looks good and it is a pity that Mark Loram has not done enough to get a place because a min 5 rides format would suit him! my only worry is the state of the tracks! This season the tracks have been poor which did not suite the early starters so the new format may level that up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Next years format IMO looks good and it is a pity that Mark Loram has not done enough to get a place because a min 5 rides format would suit him! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly what I was thinking! This style of GP is more for Mark Loram and on this basis BSI should give him strong consideration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 (RogH @ Oct 3 2004, 11:26 AM) I wonder if the heats for the main body of the meeting will be in the traditional order, if so how will they number the riders. Could be the first race of GP 2005 will feature Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams ? The first race of every GP in 2005 will feature Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams in this case!! Not the case because the numbering for GP No 2 would be based on the results from GP 1 etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Not sure I like the idea of awarded points for the final replacing points scored in the meeting. Seems inconsistent and would be confusing for the TV viewer ? How about using the race points but scaling down the final points to say 10,8,6,4 That would mean that a rider squeezing into the semi with 8 points and winning the final would get 18 against a rider with a 15 point max who gets unjustly excluded in the semi, who then gets 15. Not such a difference. Anyone know what the tie breaking procedures will be for riders with equal points, to decide grid positions in the semis and final and for riders tied for eighth place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 The Gp next year sounds like a great idea and will be more exciting to watch and at least it gives all riders a chance instead of the elimination rounds looking forward to it already roll on 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 So lets get this right. It;s wrong as you can have EF fail to make the final and the best rider might lose out because of a dodgy exclusion or an EF? Oh, just lke the current GP system that "isn't broke". Seems to me BSI have tried to find a compramise and yet people still feel the need to moan about it. The guy who scores 7 points and scrapes into the semi still has to ride well to get anything fro the semi's, if he can score points in the semis he must be worthy of the points. The current GP system revolves around rider having ti imporve through out the meeting, this is no different, except that 2 EF's by the best rider in his first 2 rides doesn't spell disaster (ask Matej Zagar about the U21's), he still has a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 (edited) RogH, I'm sure the 25,20,18 and 16 points would replace any points scored in the qualifiers, not be in addition. So theoretically you could have a rider who gets a 15 point max then flunks the semi-final, they still get 15 points, only 1 less than last in the final. Conversely you could get a rider who has a couple of duff rides during the meeting, scores 7 points but scrapes in to the semis. He is effectively racing for 18 extra points if he wins the final, whereas someone who scored 14 during the meeting is effectively only racing for 11 extra points. Bottom line, as Mr Adams would say, "it's all about making the A final". The system has it's pros and cons like any other. Personally I'm happy to give it a go as I think it will work. Meetings will be building up to a crescendo as they do at present. The semi-finals really are win or bust and the final retains it's current importance, ie it's everything. Rico <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it's the system they used in Germany this year then a rider who scores 15 in the 20 heats and flunks the semi still qualifies for the final if he is one of the four top scorers.The semi-final points are just added to the points scored in the meeting to decide the top four riders who qualify for the final,not the first 2 riders from each semi.That also goes for the final,so it isn't necessary to win the final to win the meeting,but it ensures that the top scorer over 7 heats is the winner Edited October 3, 2004 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whacko Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 looking forwards to next years GP, from what I gather every point will need to be raced for, no tactical dropping of places and most importantly less crap racing in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Surely if you have a format where every rider meets every other rider once, and has to go from each gate position. that surely should be enough to determine the winner. If you reverse the running order of the heats you get nos 1,2,3 and 4 in the final heat which for GP1 means Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams and for subsequent GPs the top four from the previous GP. Surely as good as any final can be. I do not see why a rider who wins after 20 heats should have to go out and win it again. It's not a knock out system any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 QUOTE(Splatty @ Oct 3 2004, 02:29 AM)I'd like to know what is wrong with the current format - if it aint broke why fix it? 2 reasons Increases prize money by reducing the field and Raises the average standard of rider competing in the field (was very careful how I worded that sentence ) Rico no system that disregards the might that is Bo Brhel can be a good one I wasn't aware that prize money was a problem - I thought that availability of the riders for league racing was more of an inconvenience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Surely if you have a format where every rider meets every other rider once, and has to go from each gate position. that surely should be enough to determine the winner. If you reverse the running order of the heats you get nos 1,2,3 and 4 in the final heat which for GP1 means Crump, Rickardsson, Hancock and Adams and for subsequent GPs the top four from the previous GP. Surely as good as any final can be. I do not see why a rider who wins after 20 heats should have to go out and win it again. It's not a knock out system any more. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But if it is over 23 heats a rider hasn't won it after 20.It gives the fans the chance to see the best 8 and then the best 4 race against each other,even if they have met each other in the previous heats.You also get to see the better riders more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmatty Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 any rider that has not qualified 4 nxt years series from this years races has had their chance, mark pepe max etc etc hard luck im afraid and so will av 2 re qualify 4 the year after!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I thought that availability of the riders for league racing was more of an inconvenience <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not for BSI, it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 I don't really know why there is so much confusion over the format. Next year's format was trialled during this season's WC qualifying and the World U-21 rounds and is pretty simple - the top eight after 20 heats qualify for knockout semi-finals. The first two in each of those qualify for the final. No carrying points forward or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Anyone know what the tie breaking procedures will be for riders with equal points, to decide grid positions in the semis and final and for riders tied for eighth place ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lower number rider, so Crumpy would always have first choice over any one, Trick would have first choice over any one except Crumpy etc...... I ASSUME, so dont shout at me if it's wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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