Dekker Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 I am saying is that quite clearly he brought the sport into disreputelets not gloss over what happened with the comments of a few who went overboard What did he do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 What did he do? oh hello Dekker he rode in a way where 'such conduct produces an advantage to the rider (or team) involved or affects the chances of one or more riders' (taken from FIM General Rules for Track Racing 070.10.13) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Horse Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 listen people, even if hans let both scotty and pk passed on the form pk was on that night it would have made a differance, even if hans didn't let either through all pk had to do was stay ahead of scotty. according to the poole post bag, andersen has been recieving death threats and on sky threaten to sue people. i know some people think he made a mistake, but face it if hans wasn't in the heat all pk had to do was finish ahead of scotty. after all the problems with pedersen fencing people forgot it, all i say leave off hans, wat happened if u were danish in the same position as gb and nicholls did wat hans did would people slate him, boo him , threaten him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 (edited) Despite my feelings about Hans, i am ashamed to be associated as a british fan with those who are intimidating and threatening him! He does not seen like the kind of guy who would back away from silly idle threats......he obviously feels there is some substance to them and is genuinely scared for his own safety! A sad day for speedway.......british speedway in particular Edited August 10, 2004 by SullyRox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 isn't that just a little dramatic? No more dramatic then some of the venom on this forum directed at Hans Andersen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richtea78 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Did Hans say he was actually getting death threats over it? Planning to sue is a bit OTT as well. I planned to boo him tonight and maybe call him some nasty names but its all getting out of hand now. If people have been threating to hurt him physically and it would appear they have then I think everyone needs to calm down. Im sure Hans wouldnt mind a bit of name calling - after all hes not exactly shy about it on sky but i wouldnt like to see him hurt over it, as after all at the end of the day PK may well have won in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 (edited) No more dramatic then some of the venom on this forum directed at Hans Andersen! I can't see the connection between that and my post Midnight Lady Edited August 10, 2004 by Splatty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I am a little bemused by the 'whole thing should be forgotten' brigade on here you cant undo what has been done and judging by the attitude of all the riders who commented on the situation on sky tonight they obviously feel the same way. I didn't hear any of them calling for it to be forgotten for the sake of the 'magician.' while there is no room for threats of violence and I have some sympathy for the guy on this point it does not alter what happened and I find it typical of Speedway that there is no reprimand for behaviour which compromises not only betting in the sport but also the spirit of competition and some 2 days later people are only too eager to sweep it under the carpet. I can't think of many things which could kill the sport quicker than the tolerance of such incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 (edited) I find it typical of Speedway that there is no reprimand for behaviour which compromises not only betting in the sport but also the spirit of competition that Splatty is a different issue to threatening Andersen IMO and some 2 days later people are only too eager to sweep it under the carpet. Maybe if the authorities had some kind of independent disciplinary action in place for situations like this and actually used them, we wouldn't but does the phrase flog a dead horse mean anything. I'm afraid for me speedway as a SPORT is rapidly disappearing over the horizon and is being replaced by speedway the entertainment. It started a few years ago, co-incided with Sky entering left , and has become more of a pantomime ever since. For the prosecution Riders no longer qualifying for the World Title (GP) by endeavour Meetings run to Sky schedules not safety for riders and the decisive piece of evidence Betting on races/matches ......combined with..... DINGLY DANGLIES = throwing a race in other words. sorry if that's a bit simplistic but I'm due at work very soon and I think you get where I'm coming from. As Jive said it's time to move on, cos nothing will be done about it, rightly or wrongly. I shall try my best to remember SWC 2004 for two amazing meetings on the Thursday and Saturday and one of the best races ever between Havvy and Rempala. Edited August 10, 2004 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatty Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 yeah I can go with most of that and especially the independent body part QUOTE I find it typical of Speedway that there is no reprimand for behaviour which compromises not only betting in the sport but also the spirit of competition that Splatty is a different issue to threatening Andersen IMO maybe it is flogging a dead horse - and maybe it wouldn't be if it was noticed but it is exactly my point - all of a sudden because an idiot or two have threatened the guy and he no longer wants to play ball everyone starts to forget the real issues here You might be resigned to the pantomine - I guess it might take me a while longer - I never was a fan of WWF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjasica Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Despite my feelings about Hans, i am ashamed to be associated as a british fan with those who are intimidating and threatening him! He does not seen like the kind of guy who would back away from silly idle threats......he obviously feels there is some substance to them and is genuinely scared for his own safety! A sad day for speedway.......british speedway in particular In the papers last week I read that the Austrian referee who ruled out Sol Campbels goal for England in Euro 2004, also recieved death notes and that he had been beaten and had his car vandalised. I hope we are not going down this route, since Speedway prides itself on being fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I sincerely hope too that no speedway fans lower themselves to the level of "some" football fans. There was also the threat to Crumpy and his family a few months ago. I just hope that peoples' emotions calm down and we look forward to the SWC 2005. It would be the perfect competition if only BSI weren't taking the lion's share of the tv revenue Having said that, Andersen will have to go out of his way to earn forgiveness not only for Saturday but for all his on track misdemeanours. If he wants to be liked and respected by all he will have to change his ways big time and quick!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I very much doubt it wjasica. Seems to me that a few people have taken things far too seriously and can't see beyond all the heat of the moment stuff. We've had riders before trying to knock 6 bells out of each other on track and fans of said riders sticking their oar in saying things like "next time he rides here, I'll have him" etc. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS - It's all talk, and as others have stated all a big pantomine! I'm pretty sure Hans Andersen is, to some extent, using comments made on this forum and his own guest book (where comments made were far worse than on here) as an excuse to duck out of British Speedway for a match or two. He's not flavour of the month at the present time with many people involved in British Speedway from promoters, team managers, riders all the way down to the fans, and his mysterious 24 hour injury will do nothing but add fuel to the fire of people thinking his non-appearance was really due to a guilty conscience! I'm sure rival riders have said things to Andersen previously after on-track incidents (Floppy & Lee Richardson spring to mind recently) which he's shrugged off, and got on with things. Personally, I'd be more worried about other riders making comments than fans on the internet, after all they're the one's in close proximatey to him throwing 500cc motocycles around bends just inches from him. Instead he's chosen to claim he fears for his safety because of some off the cuff, heat of the moment comments made by people who will probably only see him ride on tv this season. I mean, can you really see fans carrying breeze blocks into stadiums hidden under their jackets to try to lob at him as he wizzes past at 60mph! Me thinks, Mr Andersen knows there are far more people than just the fans who weren't amused by his antics & tv interview on Saturday night and is trying to spin things around slightly now to get a sympathy vote! The sooner Hans finds his bottle, the sooner this will be over and forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 and fans of said riders sticking their oar in saying things like "next time he rides here, I'll have him" etc. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS - It's all talk Tell that to Peter Carr who was physically attacked by two Glasgow fans a few seasons ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I mean, can you really see fans carrying breeze blocks into stadiums hidden under their jackets Wot? You mean I'm the only one then dammit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest richtea78 Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Tell that to Peter Carr who was physically attacked by two Glasgow fans a few seasons ago Think Glasgow is the key here - why should everyone be judged by 2 peoples standards? If the said person who threatened to throw the breeze block actually knew Arlington he would have known that it would be impossible on the back straight and thats even if you take things seriously. I think its much more likely that Hans is using these threats as an excuse as he cant face his team mates and he knew Floppy wanted to show him up after his comments on Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 There is always the possibility though that some nutter will carry out the threat....may not have been the breeze block one, but maybe something else....all threats HAVE to be taken seriously, How was he to know that they MAY have only been posted as a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I mean, can you really see fans carrying breeze blocks into stadiums hidden under their jackets Wot? You mean I'm the only one then dammit? Maybe some of the others will try & walk in with the breeze block on their shoulder, would make a change from a chip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymy02 Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 It seem's that just a few can put a bad name on the game. luckily it hasn't been done yet and i hope it never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Think Glasgow is the key here - why should everyone be judged by 2 peoples standards? I was only pointing out that it can happen. It's also unfair to suggest that this kind of behaviour would only happen in Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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