crazysue Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Did you see the ones on his website, some on them were really quite awful and were threatening all manner of things. I was disgusted with it all and I am not surprised he is saying he is worried about the threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Just wait til I start tugging at his eyelashes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Sub Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Thanks to the excellent live results link on the Luxo Stars site I can confirm Hans Andersen riding in Sweden tonight - partnering Mark at 1 and 2, three points from three rides. Â PK is on a three ride maximum, really is flying at the moment. So too the Screen Machine, paid 11 from 4 at reserve for Vargarna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northen Lass Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Have just found this item on the Ipswich Forum and found it to be a thought provoking statement and figured it might be appropriate that it should be posted on here. Â ""Dear Witches Supporters. Â I have read on this forum and others all the very many comments posted about Hans since Saturday evening. I had hoped that I would not need to make a response on behalf of Hans, indeed Hans has not wanted me to do so, but I feel duty bound. Â Some facts. Â Hans injured his knuckles on his left hand in the fall during heat one of Saturday's SWC. This was compounded prior to Hans taking to the track for Heat 25 when Tomasz Gollob and Hans collided quite heavily in the (very crowded) pits, further injuring his knuckles. Hans was in pain yesterday (Sunday) morning and we made the decision that he should return to Denmark for treatment from his physio on Monday. Hans is expecting to ride in Sweden on Tuesday providing his hand feels ok. Hans did not ride in Poland on Sunday, indeed he is not riding in Poland this season at all. Â Let me tell you that I am British and although having divided loyalties on Saturday, nothing would have given me more pleasure than to see Team GB win the World Cup. I have also known Hans a long time, I know him well enough to know when he is telling the truth, if I thought otherwise, I would not be here now typing this message. Â Hans would never contest any race with the thought in his mind of not winning. I didn't envy him in Heat 25. His English team mate inside him (who contrary to popular belief Hans does get on with and is someone Hans has respect for totally), and his Swedish team mate outside him. Hans I felt would be the biggest loser in this race no matter what. I was praying for him to touch the tapes, but even that would have provoked much criticism I would suggest. He had made changes to his bike prior to Heat 25, made the gate but the bike started to spin, he looked over his shoulder (as he normally does) and revved the bike to try and gain traction, however PK on the outside and in the dirt was generating far more speed and overtook him as did Scott and even eventually Gollob. Obviously this was interpreted differently by Kelvin Tatum, and suddenly what seems like the Speedway world has become Hans' Judge, Jury and Executioner. No one at the stadium thought anything of it as many people have posted on here, but with the wonders of today's technology Kelvin's comments were soon known to everyone. Â Hans never gave it another thought until he came off track and the various accusations started to surface. Sunday morning I was faced with a very upset and crestfallen young man. We should have been celebrating a bronze medal and a great personal performance for the Danish team. Unfortunately we were denied that. Â Hans' closest people in this country are all British. His biggest sponsors are British. To cheat Team GB out of winning the World Cup would surely not be the smartest thing to do and would never had entered Hans head. I should also add that any accusations of money changing hands are ludicrous and would not be entertained by Hans or myself. Â I am very disappointed by the attitude of some so called Speedway Supporters of this country by the threats that have been made against a young man of only 23 years old. The effect it has had on him, his family and those closest to him including myself and my family, has been devastating. Most of all I am disappointed that an (allegedly) impartial Sky TV pundit felt the need to pursue the age old British trait of having to have a reason for failure and choosing Hans to be it. Â Finally, I would like to thank people for the many messages of support that Hans has received, yes there has been quite a few. Â If any Witches supporter wishes to ask myself a question please feel free to email me offline, as I don't really wish to make any further public comment on the subject. Â Thank you. Â Mick Bratley. "" Â Â Please accept my apologies if i have not fully thanked the correct web site but i'm new at these computer thingies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortoi Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Â I haven't been on this section in a few days... 49 PAGES??? Â Christ. I really do apologise for saying this, but some of you really must be very sad. I'm as disappointed as anyone that we only got the silver, but surely it doesn't warrent 49 blooming pages worth of complaints about one incident??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurafisher Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Â I haven't been on this section in a few days... 49 PAGES??? Â Christ. I really do apologise for saying this, but some of you really must be very sad. I'm as disappointed as anyone that we only got the silver, but surely it doesn't warrent 49 blooming pages worth of complaints about one incident??? Yeah, ive just had a look on this and thought excatly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigsby Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 (edited)    I haven't been on this section in a few days... 49 PAGES???  Christ. I really do apologise for saying this, but some of you really must be very sad. I'm as disappointed as anyone that we only got the silver, but surely it doesn't warrent 49 blooming pages worth of complaints about one incident??? You want to blame Sky mate (Tatum, Louis , Nicholls etc) for making such a big deal of something most of us see week in week out but think nothing of. There wasn't much of a story without them wetting themselves over events and the fans subsequently feed on it react. So are you for televised speedway when they're always looking to stir it up (how long did N Pedersen/G Hancock roll on for?) or against? Edited August 11, 2004 by Rigsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Well I've given myself plenty of time to think it through objectively so here goes. Â Hans is only human, and we all make mistakes...but boy this is a biggy!!! First of all I have to say that reports of him recieving threats sickens me, and I hope nobody on here would sink so low. Â The race itself... Â It was a four man race, and if integrity and sport are to stand side by side I expect four riders to race. I do not believe that Hans and Tomasz should have sat back and let Scott and Peter battle it out. Particularly with match/race betting the riders have a duty to give it their all. Not only that but we pay our money to watch four rider races. It wouldn't have made any difference if Peter and Scott had been 3rd and 4th. Hans has a strange style of racing which I've commented on many times. He raises his elbows almost to the height of his shoulders. It is not this but his hand/wrist that should be looked at. It seems clear that he closed the throttle, for whatever reason. Having already looked at PK twice coming out of the turn this gives the impression that he deliberately allowed PK to pass him, and then rode mid-track in front of Scott at a reduced speed (having lost momentum). It may be true that he was trying to get the back wheel to hook up, only he will really know. Â Would it have made any difference to the outcome... Â Well maybe. PK was the faster rider (compared to Scott) but as we saw with Mark and AJ on a scandalously slick track that wasn't all that important. AJ was slower than Mark but was able to block him out. It was track position that was all important, and PK had that handed to him on a plate. If Hans had taken the normal racing line, given the circumstances, things could have been different. Having seen PK with an outside run the natural racing line would surely have been to drift wide to cover the move, but he made no attempt to stop PK. Had he done so that would have given Scott a clear run down the inside. If it's true that Hans was 'spinning his t!t$ off' then Scott would have passed him comfortabley, and I don't think PK could have passed Scott. Ifs and but's obviously but I've thought it through carefully, and truely believe that in a parallel universe somewhere on another plain the Brits are celebrating. Â The interview... Â Hans really blew it here. A lot of comments have been about Hans lying about what happened. If he had come clean, or lied better, then perhaps people wouldn't be so unhappy. There's no point me going any further on this as it is a obvious to you all as it is to me that Hans had to have seen PK. Â As for not turning up at Eastie Certainly didn't help whatever the truth may be. Â Will he be forgiven... Â Well probably, in time. Nobody really bothers to much about Tomasz anymore and Hans will be the same. Just ask Nicki. It's only a matter of time until another rider screws up and you're forgotten. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondgem Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Well seeing as most people on here seem to think there was only one heat during the meeting why did they bother running the other 24??? The meeting was 25 heats long and GB should have had the result sewn up before the last heat. They had a good lead and let it slip. To blame one Danish rider for the failure to win is absolute cr*p . The Brits had the chance to win and let it go, end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortoi Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 21CH - that makes so much sense that I'm scared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 That's a bit unfair we all like a moan even if it does run over 49 pages and half a dozen threads  It may well have been run over 25 Heats but the last one is the one that people will remember for a long long time. Right or wrong the Brits feel they were robbed this is a place to air views and thats exactly what is being done, some will agree with what people write and others will be against it's what a forum is for.  Personally I remember most of the heats, most of all was the look on my little girls face when Scott Nicholls sat next to her to have her picture taken with him and he asked if he could put his arm around her. 8 years old and all googley eyed of Scott.............. priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 (edited) Personally I remember most of the heats, most of all was the look on my little girls face when Scott Nicholls sat next to her to have her picture taken with him and he asked if he could put his arm around her. 8 years old and all googley eyed of Scott.............. priceless And that is what I am remembering from the day as well Shazzy, except it was my son with the look on his face when he met his hero Mikael Max, he was so chuffed and spent all day going around saying he met Miccy Max (he can't quite say it right yet). The look on my eldest sons face when he got caught up in the excitement of cheering on the Brits....and all the kids when Nicki Pedersen was giving out photos and signing them while we were waiting in the queue........priceless and a day I will remember for ever. Edited August 11, 2004 by crazysue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 It's all part of speedway CS and makes OUR sport one of the best as we are able to get close to "them" for autographs/photos and a chat unlike other sports  Makes the day seem so much better, Silver hmmmmm my kids struck Gold in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Shazzy I work with a woman who will go green with envy when I tell her she missed the chance of a piccy with Scott. (she could have used her daughter as an excuse to sneak in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 21CH - that makes so much sense that I'm scared. I try but don't be scared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Â Do you see his personal post ? Â Do you overhear his phonecalls ? Â Or are you just judging on what is written here on the forum ? Garf - do you? If you do maybe you could confirm these things that have been said? Id like specifics please as so far the only specific threat that has been mentioned is the one on the forum about the breeze block. Of course I don't. There is a law against that! Â But you can't argue against the fact that in speedway it is very easy for the spectators to get very close to the riders, and very easy to assault them too. Â About the breeze block, I have chosen to believe it was a misplaced joke and not a serious threat. And therefore I also believe there have been other threats, in fact on a Danish forum one is talking about knives and so on. The threat should have been on his family too, which would have frightened me as well if I was exposed for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 About the breeze block, I have chosen to believe it was a misplaced joke and not a serious threat. And therefore I also believe there have been other threats, in fact on a Danish forum one is talking about knives and so on. The threat should have been on his family too, which would have frightened me as well if I was exposed for one. Bit confused here Do you believe the threats are bad jokes or something more serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 About the breeze block, I have chosen to believe it was a misplaced joke and not a serious threat. And therefore I also believe there have been other threats, in fact on a Danish forum one is talking about knives and so on. The threat should have been on his family too, which would have frightened me as well if I was exposed for one. Bit confused here Do you believe the threats are bad jokes or something more serious No but I believe the real bad threats has come through other ways than on the this superb forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a61 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 21CH - that makes so much sense that I'm scared. 21CH?! Making sense?! No wonder you're scared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Â But you can't argue against the fact that in speedway it is very easy for the spectators to get very close to the riders, and very easy to assault them too. Â Is this a bad thing in this case??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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