FlyinRyan Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Someone do me a favour at Eastbourne on Monday night and throw a breese block at Anderson when he is going down the back straight. Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 interesting reading on Hans's website..... Some people will do anything for more hits! Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Sorry SCB! I don't mind, I put it up and posted it on the forum for everyone to use how they saw fit, I know some people ahve used my spreadsheet as a starting point and made some really ammendments too it so it lets you knwo when a team can do a joker ride and make tactical changes, it puts the teams in order. So with any luck, next year we might have some super spreadsheets to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Well how did the ref help us "big tme" the only favour he did was not exclude scottie when he did not turn on the first turn. What about the race when bjerre should have been kicked out. The race when Lee was blocked when the pole lost his chain was rightly stoped as every other rider that was complaining would have expected the race to be stoped if it was them. What absolute and total rubbish. I have never ever known a race to be stopped because someone loses a chain or because the ref thinks there might be an accident. What do you want next, indicators on bikes. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondgem Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 The meeting is over 25 heats not just one. GB were lucky to get some earlier decisions. GB had a good lead but let it slip, Scott could have gated in the last heat but didn't. The Swedes rode well and should be applauded for their victory. Yes we're all disappointed but lets not turn it into sour grapes. It was ours for the taking and we let it slip with or without the help of Hans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Must of been given big bucks as the Danes and Swedes hate each other!! Actually, we don't hate each other, but we don't love each other either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 And after all that effort trying to convince sports journalists to cover the final, HA has now made our sport look like a complete laughing stock . From what I've read most fans who were actually there didn't notice anything amiss so it would seem very unlikely that a journalist sent to cover the final would notice anything either. On the other hand most papers nowadays prefer to leave their headlines for non-sporting events in sport so maybe Andersen did speedway a favour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Looks like the Danes have done it again, grabbed all the attention. Totally stupid and unneccesary thing to do, no way was Scott going to beat PK in that race. Hans didn't have many fans left anyway outside of Foxhall, but he's even less now. Shame he doesn't stop to think of the young fans who looked up to him, anyone want the second hand Hans Andersen baseball cap which I found in my 13 year olds bin this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Norman Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 When two experienced riders in the "cool" of the commentary box say "he done that on purpose" and question whether there was a financial inducement, there must be a case to answer. A decent governing body would investigate whether Hans Andersen took a bribe to throw the decisive final race. So FIM/Olsen probably wont. I hope Ipswich will quickly consider Andersen's position after what he has done to British speedway and his Ipswich team mate. Whatever, we the fans have the opportunity to ensure justice is done. If you don't want to contribute to Andersen's wages, don't pay to see him race. If only 200 people did that at every Ipswich home and away match, I think he'd quickly be replaced. I think he deserves to be kicked out of British Speedway until the next World Cup so I wont pay to watch him until them. Everyone must make their own mind up. But make no mistake, direct action by the fans would force Andersen out of British Speedway and would show Olsen and the FIM the standards of integrity British Speedway fans require. I think the national Media would readily publicise the campaign - remember the Swiss ref v Portugal. If followed up by reminders on EL web sites before Ipswich visit, the guy would surely be forced out of Briitiish Speedway? We have the power. Do we want to leave justice to the FIM or take it ourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 interesting reading on Hans's website..... The one that hasn't been updated since March 22nd? I can't see anything, where am I looking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 This type of thing has happened in the past ie coventry where adams and crump made no attempt to race in order to deny england, its not done their reputation any harm has it? No? Why do you think loads of us on here were chuffed to bits when Australia didn't qualify for the final. We remember....... But there popularity hasnt suffered because of it, ok crump has never been a lot of peoples favorite but adams has suffered no bad reaction and is worshipped at swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightonbob Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 First off, lets get off the H25 fiasco and get one thing straight. 1 - All the GB riders did a great job, no passangers. I have not heard one comment of 'oh if only so-and-so had been there'. 2 - At the early predictions, most were hoping for a podium, but would not have bet their life on it. Silver was a great result. Best team in the world bar one, UK left the Danes, Aussies and Poles far behind which is a massive achievement. 3 - The entire event produced some of the best sport either live or on TV that money can buy. It was superb. The race off on Thursday was such a great advert for the sport. 4 - People go on about H25 (I don't think Scotty would have got there, and yes, Anderson should be castrated, but whatever), but the real problem was the UK had to beat the Swedes all by themselves. The Danes blew it and the Poles, well, the kids did great, but where was Gollob when you needed him? I thought all four teams wouldn't have ten points between at the end, but it was a straight fight from about halfway. 4 (a) If the Herring eaters would have played their joker when they should have it would been all over by H24 anyway. All our lads did very well, but nobody scored like Karlsson or Tricky. 5 - GB speedway fans. The best. I dare any country to put on a show like we did, maybe the Poles. But the passion was great. I had an absolutely brillaint time at the two meetings I went to. 6 - People go about the lack of kids coming through. They are missing a couple of points (1) The Dave Norris put-down-your-lager-and-get-fit-for-speedway inspiration, (2) Its getting more attractive financially at the top end and being a pro speedway rider is becomming more attractive, (3) The kids are there, new tracks are opening and every kid who rides will have looked at Team GB and thought 'I want some of that'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Try this one. ugly duck! here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Thats a bit unfair on Ipswich then though, surely the best way is to ignore him. Don't cheer him, boo him, tlak to him, mention his name or ask for his autograph. He'll soon get the message and hopefully the Ipswich promotion might as well (tho there hands are tied, who can they replace him with? There are no 4 pointers out there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Norman Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 One of the excellent Poles or Holta? But surely there is a much bigger issue here? This is a rare chance to set standards in British Speedway. Afterall, Ipswich or any other track could lose a top man - through injury. In such exceptional circs, I'd also give Ipswich a second option of bringing in Gollab, PK or Hamill as a 5 pointer providing they shed a point elsewhere. Sadly I think we need to take radical action as I don't think Andersen will care much about being booe'd etc. Only if he's hit in the pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 (edited) Prehaps the answer is for the BSPA to ban him and for Ipswich to be allowed the use of guests while they look for a replacement, it's unfair to say they can have a 5 pointer if they lose a point elsewhere as that means sacking on of Louis or Jensen who have done well and increased there averages so Ipswich would be weakening there potentionally league winning team to a team that would struggle to win at home. The only way around it as far as I cna see is to let them sign Billy Hamill (Hamills 2003 average is marginally lower than Hans' 2004 average AFAIK) so it's a like for like change. Edited August 8, 2004 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storming Norman Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Excellent ideas SCB. Force Andersen out but give Ipswich the chance not to be weakened. Give ipswich the choice to exceptionally have a guest to the end of the season or sign Hamill or Holta who I think would come in on a 4 pointer anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 The guestbook on www.uglyduckracing.com (H.A's website) makes interesting reading. Looks like Hans has some teenage girls defending him but that's about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 I know emotions are high at the moment and I've lost respect for the guy but things are getting a bit OTT here! Kicking him out of British Speedway until the next World Cup, forcing Ipswich out of business by boycotting the place...a bit extreme. Would be interesting to read peoples views of him if he had made way to let Scotty through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 I know emotions are high at the moment and I've lost respect for the guy but things are getting a bit OTT here! Kicking him out of British Speedway until the next World Cup, forcing Ipswich out of business by boycotting the place...a bit extreme. Would be interesting to read peoples views of him if he had made way to let Scotty through! I think Gollob and Andersen were on a hiding to nothing in Heat 25. GB lost the meeting earlier and would not have even been in the position they were but for some very dubious refereeing decisions. The Silver medal is a tremendous achievement and I'm sorry, the best team won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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