Adder Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 If it aint broke, why fix it? Everyone who disagrees with this change of format should e-mail Benfield Sports pleading for a rethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 But is it broke? At least it will be fairer with all the riders having a race off each gate and meeting each other. The system at the moment is open to some manipulation in order for a rider to avoid an unfavoured gate by deliberately slowing down to lose a race on the line. It's worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 The current GP Format is one of the best things Speedway has ever done. It's simplicity and cut-throat nature make it ideal to sell to the neutral. There are no 'dead' heats in the current format, everything is on the line evry race....great for television and the non initiated. Having said all this, it's little wonder it's getting dropped. Doesn't fit with Speedways rag tag and bobtail image, Mickey Mouse image at all...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Why does the Eurosport coverage generally start around heat 13 then,if there are no dead heats.Even the speedway star calls heat 13 a warm up heat Scrap it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 (edited) The only 2 heats that are remotely unimportant are Heats 9 and 10. Someone either puts themselves in jeopardy of elimination, or is on their way home in every other heat. Regressing back to a version of the old format will be a massive mistake IMO. In the new format someone could still conceivably win 5 qualifying heats plus a semi and not win the Meeting, so all the talk of it being fairer doesn't wash. All you'll end up with is the same sudden death finale in 3 heats (instead of 23) and 20 heats of going through the motions. Not to mention 2 less heats for your hard earned. Dreadful decision!! Edited July 3, 2004 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 The only 2 heats that are remotely unimportant are Heats 9 and 10. Someone either puts themselves in jeopardy of elimination, or is on their way home in every other heat. Regressing back to a version of the old format will be a massive mistake IMO. In the new format someone could still conceivably win 5 heats and not win the Meeting, so all the talk of it being fairer doesn't wash. All you'll end up with is the same sudden death finale in 3 heats (instead of 23) and 20 heats of going through the motions. Dreadful decision!! Spot on Frigbo. I couldn't have put it better myself.. and didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 The only changes which should be made imo are as follows: Scrap heats 9 & 10: Pretty pointless, the top 8 riders have the advantage of not having to 'qualify' therefore having the small disadvantage of having no heat should really mean very litte. Bring back the Consoltation final: Not only will it allow Mr Adams to talk about the A final with some sense, it also gives the fans an extra heat (esp important if you lose heat 9 & 10) Pick gates for final: Make the riders walk out on track like they used to! It built up the tension. Give the guy who is highest in the championship standings first choice to make it fairer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Theprizemoney will stay about the same as now, making it more interesting for the riders. I think this quote is the reason why the format is being changed. IMO the rider have realised how good a product the GP series is and may well have said we want/deserve more money. BSI in their wisdom have found a way to give them more without it coming from their own coffers. They think the fans are all hooked on the GP series now and will attend whatever the format. Sorry got my cynical head on today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Still doesn`t answer why the t.v coverage starts half way through the meeting.They obviously see the first half as a warmup for the main part.Its only the elimination heats and the semi`s and Final that matter.I don`t see it as that simple either.Basically i had only seen one meeting in 10 years before i saw a repeat of the German G.P.I knew a few of the riders such as Leigh Adams,Rickarsson,Loram,but even i found it a bit hard to follow.The use of standard race jackets instead of national colours doesn`t help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 I think this quote is the reason why the format is being changed. IMO the riders have realised how good a product the GP series is and may well have said we want/deserve more money. BSI in their wisdom have found a way to give them more without it coming from their own coffers. They think the fans are all hooked on the GP series now and will attend whatever the format. Sounds about right to me SL, aren't they clever businessmen. And you're probably right about the fans being hooked, I know quite a few fans who watch all the speedway on tv but would never venture to a league match. The tv is spoiling the fans, who can get their weekly fix of speedway without ever leaving the house. I just hope that the SKY money is making up for the loss of revenue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEagles Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Sorry if this has been asked before but what is the prize money on offer to the riders and how is it distributed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 (edited) Sorry if this has been asked before but what is the prize money on offer to the riders and how is it distributed? For 2004, it's as follows... Final Placing USD 1st in Heat 25 10,250 2nd in Heat 25 7,450 3rd in Heat 25 6,250 4th in Heat 25 5,750 3rd in Heats 23 & 24 5,000 4th in Heats 23 & 24 4,400 3rd in Heats 21 & 22 3,250 4th in Heats 21 & 22 2,850 3rd in Heats 17 & 18 2,650 4th in Heats 17 & 18 2,600 3rd in Heats 11 & 12 1,750 4th in Heats 11 & 12 1,700 3rd in Heats 5 & 6 1,600 4th in Heats 5 & 6 1,600 Edited July 8, 2004 by Kevin Meynell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Koper Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 On 3rd November I sent my letter about new GP format to BSI and FIM but I didn't get the answer.Enclosed please find the full version of the letter. Dear Sir/Madam I would like to introduce an very interesting new GP 2005 format which was invented by my brother Artur Koperwas. His idea is to carry out 3 additional heats after 20 basic heats as an alternative for the present proposed format semifinal and final heats. The proposal focus on conducting one semifinal heat and two final heats (A & .Top two riders in 20-basic heats would promote directly into A final. The riders, being after 20 heats, on positions 7 and 8 would promote to B final. The riders on positions from 3 to 6 would compete in semifinal and again top two riders would promote to A final and would then fight for the victory of the tournament. The remaining two riders would compete in final B for position no 5 of the games. The main adventage of this formula is to exclude a case in which the rider with the best score in 20-basic heats could go down by 7 positions after one unfavourable heat in semifinal. In the proposed format the worst downfall might happen to the rider placed third after 20 heats, who losing semifinal and final B will go down by 5 positions. In this case the failure is a result of TWO unfavourable heats. The rider on the last or third position in the semifinal will then compete for the fifth place of the competition in final B and when he loses and finishes as the last riders he is placed eight. Conducting competition following the proposed new rules is extremely thrilling during the 20 heats up to the last one. The riders, who managed to promote to final heats are additionally motivated to compete for two positions awarded by final A heats. The other stimulating factor is the fact that only 6 riders in the 20-basic heats can potentially win the competition. It's quite probable, that up to the last stage of the runs the fight for the top two positions will be strenuous. If the rider does not archive this goal, he will have to be among six best results rider in order to think about the victory of the competition. When placed on 7 or 8 position he may only compete for 5 position in final B. Standing after 20 heats: 1st rider go to the A final 2nd go to the A final 3rd go to the semifinal 4th go to the semifinal 5th go to the semifinal 6th go to the semifinal 7th go to the B final 8th go to the B final Riders on position 9-16 get GP points according to his placing after 20 heats 9th rider gets 8 GP points 10th gets 7 GP points 11th gets 6 GP points 12th gets 5 GP points 13th gets 4 GP points 14th gets 3 GP points 15th gets 2 GP points 16th gets 1 GP point Final Event The Semifinal 1st rider go to the A final 2nd go to the A final 3rd go to the B final 4th go to the B final The B final 1st gets 14 GP points 2nd gets 12 GP points 3rd gets 11 GP points 4th gets 10 GP points The A final The winner gets 25 GP points 2nd gets 20 GP points 3rd gets 18 GP points 4th gets 16 GP points At the end of each Grand Prix event , Grand Prix points would be awarded to the riders as follows: 1st >25 points 2nd >20 points 3rd >18 points 4th >16 points 5th >14 points 6th >12 points 7th >11 points 8th >10 points 9th >8 points 10th >7 points 11th > 6 points 12th >5 points 13th >4 points 14th > 3 points 15th >2 points 16th >1 points Yours faithfully Konrad Koperwas Lublin, Poland P.S.1.In my opinion this proposed race format is MORE RIGHTEOUS and isn't less exciting than present FIM race format for SGP 2005. 2.I think system in which Grand Prix points will be awarded to the rider, acording to his place in GP Event is MORE CLEAR than system in which GP points will be awarded only to the rider which achieve the final acording to his place in the final and race points being GP points for the remaining riders. 3.The proposed race format generates MORE EXCITEMENTS during 20 heats because riders will compete not only for top 8 places after 20 heats which promote them to the semifinals but also: -top 2 places after 20 heats to get directly to the A final -minimum top 6 places after 20 heats to have chance to win GP Event -minimum 7-8 places after 20 heats to get the B final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) On 3rd November I sent my letter about new GP format to BSI and FIM but I didn't get the answer.Enclosed please find the full version of the letter. Dear Sir/Madam I would like to introduce an very interesting new GP 2005 format which was invented by my brother Artur Koperwas. His idea is to carry out 3 additional heats after 20 basic heats as an . . . . . . . . . . -top 2 places after 20 heats to get directly to the A final -minimum top 6 places after 20 heats to have chance to win GP Event -minimum 7-8 places after 20 heats to get the B final <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds OK to me. Good thinking here. Edited December 1, 2004 by garf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 the gp points should be the number actually scored, not there position. in that waybthe rider will constantly be going for points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalewhale Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Does anyone know if the prize money in 2005 will still be paid is US$? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Koper Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 the gp points should be the number actually scored, not there position. in that waybthe rider will constantly be going for points <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All system of GP points among motorsport is based on final position of competitor, so I think that in speedway should be the same for clarity. In my brother's GP format the riders have motivation to contantly going for points because if they get the best two top scores after 20 heats they will go directly to final A, if they get the number of points which assure them minimum 6th place after 20 heats they will have still chance to win GP event if they get the number of points which assure them 7th or 8th place after 20 heats they will have chance to compete for 5th place of the GP in final B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I would keep qualifying, but have it in the off season, and scrap the semis so the top 4 of the first round go direct to the final with the top 3 joining the top 8 from last year and 4 pre-nominated riders who are exempt from qualifying, with one spot for a wildcard from the host country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 The new format should prove very good and is a much fairer system for all the riders. This cannot now be changed for the next 3 years now FIM approval has be granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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