KrisB Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Does anyone know the format next year as I understand there will only be 16 riders .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kirsty Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 16 riders? ok? they should be having more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I believe they are reverting to the tradition World Final format with each rider having a total of five rides and meeting every other rider in the process. This will then be followed by an A and B Final for the top eight scoring riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Bad idea. Big mistake. Typical isn't it! They find something that really works well, so they change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kirsty Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 ah do u no y thro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Bad idea. Big mistake. Typical isn't it! They find something that really works well, so they change it. I couldn't agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 (edited) I believe they are reverting to the tradition World Final format with each rider having a total of five rides and meeting every other rider in the process. This will then be followed by an A and B Final for the top eight scoring riders. This would be a good idea,if every point scored counted there would be no slowing down for tactical resons,and even 3rd or 4th place would be important. I would still prefer the current format but if they are goin to change it this is the best way,plus all the riders would face each other and they would all get to use every gate position. Edited June 20, 2004 by Marcelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I cannot see the point of staging A and B finals when the 20 heat format provides for riders to meet each other once. It would be better if : a. Race points scored in the 20 heats counted for the GP rather than awarding "GP" points. b. The race format was reversed i.e heat 1 becomes heat 20, heat 2 becomes heat 19 etc. That way heat 20 contains riders 1,2,3 and 4 who are the top 4 from the previous GP or the top 4 from the previous year in the case of the 1st Round, and becomes a sort of final. The only supplementary races should be to decide rostrum places. Ties would be broken by GP number order. A much fairer distribution of gate positions would result from this format, none of this drawing lots for gate positions in the semis and final. The system would be much easier to understand, although I have to say I enjoy the current KO system, it is obvious BSI want to cut costs and get rid of 8 of the "also rans". All we need to do now is do away with the system of behind closed doors nominating of riders for the series and go back to the idea of riders qualifying for the GP on the track, surely the only way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannah Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I'm not sure really, I like the current format, but this new format would give the riders a better chance of getting into the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 At least riders wouldnt go half way round europe just for 2 rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Evans Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Bad idea. Big mistake. Typical isn't it! They find something that really works well, so they change it. It wouldn't be speedway if we left it alone when it works.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Can`t say i like the fact that its not necessarily the best rider that wins,just the one that wins the last heat.Also don`t like it that everyone apart from wildcards qualifies from the previous years performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dontforgetoturnleft!! Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Why not have it over two nights 20 heats on the Friday night with points scored = GP Points And then a knock out formula on the Saturday with eight local wildcards for current GP Points, grids in the semi-finals and final can be chosen in order of finishing position on the Friday night TV companies could show the 20 heats in less than 30 minutes before the knock out meeting live Contriversal - but it would work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Why not have it 16 riders meet in 4 qualis.1st & 2nd in each heat then meet in top half racing 5 heats each against each other and the same for the 3rd & 4th placed riders.Lottery in the first 4 heats perhaps if someone is excluded or has an e.f,but hopefuly you get the 8 best riders battling against each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjoe Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 iris123 and dontforgettoturnleft your ideas are interseting but much to complicated keep it as it is i say or use the old world final format over however many rounds and then have a,b,c and d finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dontforgetoturnleft!! Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 If we keep it as it is - which I would vote for - only change must be how grids are allocated for semi's and final (ask Mr Crump). How about all riders doing a flying lap during practice, or an hour before the meeting, and the ranking for that counting as the highest in each semi has 1st choice the 2nd 2nd choice etc. Also it should be winner of each semi to final and then 2nd and 3rd from each semi race in a last chance semi, 1st and 2nd to final. At the moment a rider seeded to main event can have two wins and one bad ride/bad luck leads to knock out wheras a rider from the pre main event can came 3rd of 4th twice and still qualify. The fastest semi winner would then get 1st choice of grid, the 2nd fastest 2nd, 1st in the last chance 3rd and 4th in the last chance 4th. What thinks you !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw ministerofport Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Got to say i do like the way the GPs are run, however if you think about it settling for second place is not what races should be about. And now the tacticle way of slowing down to get a easier next race stinks. The old system made it vital to score as many points as you could, the problem being with that is that towards the end of the heats you get riders who's chance of winning have already gone so they don't try so hard. I certainly would like to see the old style qualifying rounds back, give every rider a chance of being in the GP's. But if they don't change the system thats alright by me i will still enjoy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I definitely dont think they should revert to traditional 20 heat meetings, I love the current format. Whilst it is undoubtedly fairer, with everyone meeting each other and a more even distribution of gate positions, it wouldn't provide nearly as much exciting racing as the current format does. Since the introduction of the knockout system, the intensity of racing has increased dramatically. The suggestion of using the current WU21 and WC qualifier system would be the worst option, where riders knew that they just had to do enough to make the top 8 over 20 heats to have a chance of winning. How BSI can reduce the number of riders but keep the excitement is surely a key debate that they'll be having at the moment. Hopefully they will come up with a good solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 At least riders wouldnt go half way round europe just for 2 rides. Not just Europe but the world... If they have just 16 riders, then the prize money, sponsorship money and other things are distributed between less riders and therefore each gets more. Shipping 16 riders equiptment to Australia, New Zealand etc.. costs less than 24 which makes a more global series very much more viable. Also it seems likely that each rider will get more than 2 rides therefore sponsors will be more interested. Imagine a 16 rider series, in the present series there are at least 10 possibly more riders capable of winning a GP. With less riders it will be even more exciting as you are guaranteed 4 world class riders in each heat, unlike a few in the present system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 (edited) I believe they are reverting to the tradition World Final format with each rider having a total of five rides and meeting every other rider in the process. This will then be followed by an A and B Final for the top eight scoring riders. A and B SEMIFINAL, of which 2 best goes to the final. Thats what I think I know. The system they are using in the qualis. EDIT: Ice racing system is different, and it sucks Edited June 23, 2004 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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