Robyn1972 Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 (edited) Well it has to be said that watching it on TV you could predict that if Pedersen was off the inside gates he turned late and took people wide, and if he was off the outside gates - as one of the commentary team said "Bet he'll be on gate 1 by ten yards out!" As for what other riders think of him.....the fanzone commentary was amusing! Edited June 13, 2004 by Robyn1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Well it was our view (including some Newcastle fans sitting behind us) that Rune had been doing exactly the same thing to Hans right from the begininning of the heat and it was more to do with Hans skill on the bike that he stayed on and that Rune could have stayed on....if he really wanted. We also thought the race had been awarded and was amazed when it had to be rerun again (was quite funny watching Scott taking his helmet off,putting it on,taking it off,putting it on). Hard rider yes, dirty, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner_girl4eva Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Well I have previously said on a topic after the Peterboro v Ipswich thread that Hans in my opinion is a dirty rider and last night has just confirmed it. Yes it was a hard race with Holta but you could see Hans was going to take him off, it was just a case of when not if. I think he is very immature as a rider and now he's in the GP's and is actually a good rider, he should take a long hard look at himself and calm himself down before he really hurts somebody. Â Hans makes Nicki look like a pussycat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 I do love the different views we get on here! Â Both Rainbow and I were at the Millennium Stadium and up until Holta came off we were wincing at his riding! The guy is too eratic on a bike, he is all over the placa and appears to have more power than he can handle in his machine! Â We were both astounded when Hans was excluded, I'm sorry but Rune brought it on himself and I hate him being in races with the Brits coz you just never know what the heck he is gonna do next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted June 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Well i've read through the posts and in the cold light of day when i've calmed down i thought i'd re-wind the tape and watch that race again. I'm even more convinced it was a dirty move than before.This time i listened to Andersen talking to the ref.He says " He done exactly the same to me on the lap before but i stayed on the bike " WRONG. At the end of the second lap Holta passes Andersen up the inside [ incidentally Pearson says at this point they touched - it looks like they do from the outside because Andersen momentarily loses control for a split second - but if you watch the slow motion replay from the centre green you can see they don't touch and Andersen has plenty of room infact ] Then on the third lap Andersen dives into the side of Holta completely skittling him and taking his leg away [ Done the same to me last lap ????????????? ] Yes true Holta got off the bike.If he hadn't he'd have been sat in row 15.Andersen went in that hard he almost missed the corner and nearly ended up in the air fence himself on the fourth bend.Again,watch his line after Holta falls.As for people suggesting Holta got off the bike for a re-run.That,s unbelievable.The guys riding with neck and back injuries would he step off the bike at 60 mph and take that impact to get a re-run ? If you think so i suggest you get on a bike and try it yourself then,see how much fun it is then.I think Andersens comments after the race show he thought he'd been ridden hard and he took retribution himself.This is why i personally think it was worse then Pedersens assault on Greg Hancock.Greg's crash looked a lot worse but THIS was more premeditated than Pedersens in my opinion.I think certain riders now are taking liberties and not showing any respect to their fellow racers,and it's coming out more in the GP's.Personally i think it's because of the air fences,i'm not against them,i think they should be installed at EVERY track but there seems to be more and more of this throwing the back wheel out stuff.Riders are doing stuff they wouldn't do at tracks like Exeter and Sheffield with no air fence.I think there should be a penalty system where if a certain rider is involved in say 3 incidents where he's been shown to be at blame then he gets sat down for 2 or 3 GP's.And to the people that say ' thats racing' not in my book it isn't.It's crossing the line.I watch Moto GP too different discipline i know but anyone who wants to see what racing is, get a tape of last weeks race at Mugello.The first 6 or 7 riders dicing within inches,swopping fairing paint,outbraking each other all in pouring rain and on slick tyres at 190 mph.And despite all this no one knocked anyone off.THATS RACIN ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted June 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Oh come off it.I notice most of the people sticking up for Andersen are either fans of his team or teams he's ridden for recently [ ie: Poole ] I'm not a fan of either rider, just neutral.It never ceases to amaze me how biased some folks on here are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Hans was only racing hard, they both were, Hans came very close to falling off, but he didn't, and Holta did, so he had to be excluded, GREAT RACE! Here, here. It was a superb race and it was nothing more than a racing accident. Two superbly skilled riders fighting tooth and nail in an important race at the biggest single meeting of the season - fantastic stuff. Â It's a shame the race didn't go the full distance, but the entry to the first turn on the last lap was a 50-50 race, both had to go in hard and the result was someone fell. That's just racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andrew- Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 NP tried to take Gollob into the airfence but Gollob shook him off and beat him FAIR and SQUARE. Â Vintage Gollob.... quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 I agree with Philip. Â Watching the race unfold I said just before the crash happened that Andersen was on a mission to take out Holta and he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Oh come off it.I notice most of the people sticking up for Andersen are either fans of his team or teams he's ridden for recently [ ie: Poole ] I'm not a fan of either rider, just neutral.It never ceases to amaze me how biased some folks on here are. As far as I am concerned this is not the case for me! Â Never been a huge fan of Hans (as a rider! nice enough guy off track) but I say things as I see them! Which may not be the way others do but then it would be a very dull world if we all agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannah Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 I don't think Hans Andersen is that bad but he could be the next Nicki Pedersen - he's Danish and has the right attitude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 (edited) I have watched this race over & over again after reading this forum, not to mention the discussion it caused with the friends I was with. Â Personally I think Holta was a little lucky to be in the re-run in the first place as he was out of control entering the first bend in the first attempt at running the race & it was down to his (unintentional) turning right that the other two riders went down. Â As for the incident itself, they were knocking lumps out of each other for the whole race & although Hans did touch Rune's leg, the Norseman put his leg down again & then swept it backwards as he went wider. Â Only he will know of course, but with the high stakes in the GP, I wonder if he did take the risk of putting it down in the hope of getting Hans excluded. From the views I have seen, even after the contact, Rune looked in control & I feel could have stayed up if he chose to. Edited June 13, 2004 by Dave the Mic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 (edited) Oh come off it.I notice most of the people sticking up for Andersen are either fans of his team or teams he's ridden for recently [ ie: Poole ] I'm not a fan of either rider, just neutral.It never ceases to amaze me how biased some folks on here are. Not me! I have no view on Andersen either way. Being involved at Somerset & an Exeter fan, I couldn't care less either way for Holta or Andersen, but to say Andersen took him off on purpose in this incident is ludicrous. It was a racing incident. Nothing more. Edited June 13, 2004 by Dave the Mic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamonds_are_forever Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Personally I think it was six of one, half a dozen of the other, then Andersen lost his rag & pushed a bit too hard. It was obvious that both of them weren't going to finish the race, it was a case of who lost patience first, answer? Hans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_clubs Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Personally I think it was six of one, half a dozen of the other, then Andersen lost his rag & pushed a bit too hard. It was obvious that both of them weren't going to finish the race, it was a case of who lost patience first, answer? Hans. Agreed. I'd said a lap earlier these two aren't going to finish the race. It was indeed six of one and half a dozen of the other. It was just a question of who would be the first to take it just too far and bring the other down. And it was Andersen who did that and was rightly excluded. Â Apart from that race, I can't say I saw much else dangerous about Andersen's riding. Can't say the same about 'super' Nicki though. Twice first bend incidents were caused by him coming of the inside and then turning right in the first corner and skittling all his opponents. He is THE dirty rider. Andersen isn't in his league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Holta goes down like a lead balloon if anyone gets near him. Andersen's move move was no worse than Holta's on him the previous lap but that ol' red mist came and you could see Hans was going to do something a little naughty. Â But if that was dirty riding was there a similar thread for Crump's move on Holta (ahhhh, him again) that handed Nikki P the title last year? No, didn't think so. Â Some people aren't happy unless they have someone to moan about. Â Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Feel sorry for Hans because both of them were having a good go at each other. The race should have been stopped and they should have had a good talking to, someone could have been really hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff. Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 The difference between the crash and what happened a lap earlier was that in the previous lap Andersen realised he had left the gap and that Holta was coming through, Hans correctly raced in wider and didnt try to close a gap that was really already gone. On the next lap the situation was reversed but Holta didnt concede the corner. On the whole it was probably fair to exclude Andersen but I would not say it was a dirty move, just very hard riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTigers Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 I'm getting sick of watching Holta ride. You just know that every time anyone even gets close to him on the inside in a bend he is going to fall down and get the other guy excluded even though he wasn't riding any harder than in any other heat. If he can't control his bike he shouldn't even be in the race. Hans rode hard but wasn't dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Not a Hans or Rune fan so unbiased view here. Â Six and two three's for the majority of the race, but Hans just went a bit too hard into the 1st turn and clipped Rune's leg. Â They both knocked lumps out of each other for the previous laps and we have all seen incidents like that wehre a rider id clipped and goes down. Â We could have umpteen (sp) threads liek this i.e. 'Rune Holta is a Dirty Rider' becuase he tried to fence Hans on the previous lap etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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