1978 EURO U-21 FINAL

[June01]

Are you willing to accept Jensen's score of 14 and Gundersen's 10 at face value or do you have other results to back that up?

 

Download the file above again - I've added reports from the following weeks' Star that mention Jensen's 13 and Gundersen finishing 5th. The 1986 yearbook page is also attached at the back.

I’m sure I work out my results the same way as you do – take the results, the riding order and the heat format to work out the heat details. I’m terribly anal when it comes to making sure my results are correct before I post them, and use as many sources as possible, which means it can take hours, or even days, to collate, cross reference, total and re-check.

 

In this instance, and having started the heat detail process as I usually do, I have no issues with any riders’ scores except the four previously mentioned – Olszak, Nielsen and now Gundersen and Jensen.

 

In answer to your question of whether I’m happy to accept the above poster’s result as definitive, well, no. I only had a quick look this morning without all the details in front of me, saw the “10” in red, and figured that was “end of problem”. I assumed Jensen’s 14 would fit in with the format/results when revised, and that it could have been a simple typo in the original report that filtered through to other sources...and who am I to question someone who was actually there?!

 

But now I’ve gone through the whole thing I am convinced Olszak (assuming he is O Keirjk in the SS?) and Nielsen scored 6 and 10 respectively, and thanks to your posting of the article which states “Jolly was one of two riders to beat Jensen. The other was…Gundersen” I’m also convinced Jensen finished on 13.

 

So it’s taken much longer than usual, but I think I’m finally there. Thanks to each and every poster on this thread, as your information has been invaluable, and here is what I think the final result was:

 

Junior European Championship - Lonigo - 22.07.78

 

1..Armando Gigliali (ITA)..0,0,0,1,1 = 2

2..Ryszard Romaniak (POL)..2,1,1,0,2 = 6

3..Roman Jankowski (POL)..1,1,0,0,0 = 2

4..Pavel Karnas (CZR)..3,1,3,1,0 = 8

5..Hans Nielsen (DEN)..3,3,0,1,3 = 10

6..Erik Gundersen (DEN)..2,2,3,2,2 = 11

7..Fausto Birbini (ITA)..0,0,2,2,1 = 5

8..Josef Juza (CZR)..1,0,3,2,2 = 8

9..Mieczyslaw Kmieciak (POL)..2,1,1,0,0 = 4

10..Henryk Olszak (POL)..1,3,0,2,0 = 6

11..Lillebror Johansson (SWE)..0,2,1,1,1 = 5

12..Finn Jensen (DEN)..3,3,3,3,1 = 13 - 1st

13..Kevin Jolly (GBR)..3,2,1,3,3 = 12 - 2nd

14..Nikolai Manev (BUL)..0,0,2,0,2 = 4

15..Steve Finch (GBR)..1,3,2,3,3 = 12

16..Neil Middleditch (GBR)..2,2,2,3,3 = 12 - 3rd

 

17..[R]..Ladislav Hradecky (CZR)..DNR

18..[R]..Danny Kennedy (AUS)..DNR

 

Ht 1..Karnas, Romaniak, Jankowski, Gigliali [F/Ex]

Ht 2..Nielsen, Gundersen, Juza, Birbini

Ht 3..Jensen, Kmieciak, Olszak, Johansson

Ht 4..Jolly, Middleditch, Finch, Manev [Ex]

Ht 5..Nielsen, Jolly, Kmieciak, Gigliali

Ht 6..Olszak, Gundersen, Romaniak, Manev

Ht 7..Finch, Johansson, Jankowski, Birbini

Ht 8..Jensen, Middleditch, Karnas, Juza

Ht 9..Gundersen, Middleditch, Johansson, Gigliali

Ht 10..Jensen, Finch, Romaniak, Nielsen [F/Ex]

Ht 11..Juza, Manev, Kmieciak, Jankowski

Ht 12..Karnas, Birbini, Jolly, Olszak

Ht 13..Jensen, Birbini, Gigliali, Manev

Ht 14..Jolly, Juza, Johansson, Romaniak

Ht 15..Middleditch, Olszak, Nielsen, Jankowski

Ht 16..Finch, Gundersen, Karnas, Kmieciak

Ht 17..Finch, Juza, Gigliali, Olszak

Ht 18..Middleditch, Romaniak, Birbini, Kmieciak

Ht 19..Jolly, Gundersen, Jensen, Jankowski

Ht 20..Nielsen, Manev, Johansson, Karnas

 

Ht 21..Jolly, Middleditch, Finch

 

 

Please feel free to correct me, but be aware that if I have to go through it all again I may cry.

[andout]

Obviously it does not agree with my filled in programme but a mistake could have happened.....anyway, yes I do have the 1979 programme and its filled in.

However, I do not speak or read Russian so this one is going to be more difficult.....if you can tell me what you need I can look it up, ideally if you have a riding order it would make it much easier.

Edited February 13, 2016 by andout

[arnieg]

..anyway, yes I do have the 1979 programme and its filled in.

However, I do not speak or read Russian so this one is going to be more difficult.....if you can tell me what you need I can look it up, ideally if you have a riding order it would make it much easier.

It should look like this:

 

1(2) Рон Престон (США) (1,3,3,3,3) - 13

2(3) Айрат Файзуллин (СССР) (3,п,3,3,3) - 12

3(4) Ари Копонен (Финляндия) (2,сх,3,3,3) - 11

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4(12) Кнуд Элегаард (Дания) (3,3,2,ф,2) - 10

5(7) Андерс Эрикссон (Швеция) (1,3,2,2,2) - 10

6(1) Станислав Урбан (ЧССР) (0,2,1,3,3) - 9

7(11) Збишек Холли (ЧССР) (п,2,3,2,2) - 9

8(13) Тронд Хельге Скреттинг (Норвегия) (3,3,1,1,п) - 8

9(5) Марек Кепа (Польша) (3,1,0,2,0) - 6

10(10) Яромир Бартош (ЧССР) (2,2,0,0,2) - 6

11(16) Владимир Панькин (СССР) (п,2,2,1,1) - 6

12(8) Стефан Береч (Венгрия) (2,1,1,0,1) - 5

13(14) Йозеф Айгнер (ФРГ) (2,1,0,1,1) - 5

14(15) Ханс Альберт Клинг (Дания) (1,1,1,2,0) - 5

15(9) Ян Эрикссон (Швеция) (1,0,2,с,0) - 3

16(6) Фаусто Бирбини (Италия) (0,0,0,1,ф) - 1

R1-Карл Бидерсбергер (Дания)

R2-Кристиан Брандт (ФРГ)

 

1 (2), Ron Preston (USA) (1,3,3,3,3) - 13

2 (3) Ayrat Fayzullin (USSR), (3, f, 3,3,3) - 12

3 (4) Ari Koponen (Finland) (2 r, 3,3,3) - 11

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4 (12) Knud Ellegaard (Denmark) (3,3,2, xt, 2) - 10

5 (7), Anders Eriksson (Sweden) (1,3,2,2,2) - 10

6 (1) Stanislav Urban (Czech.) (0,2,1,3,3) - 9

7 (11) Zbyshek Holy (Czech.) (f, 2,3,2,2) - 9

8 (13) Trond Helge Skretting (Norway) (3,3,1,1, f) - 8

9 (5) Marek Kepa (Poland) (3,1,0,2,0) - 6

10 (10) Jaromir Bartos (Czech.) (2,2,0,0,2) - 6

11 (16) Vladimir Pankin (USSR) (f, 2,2,1,1) - 6

12 (8) Stefan Berecz (Hungary) (2,1,1,0,1) - 5

13 (14) Josef Aigner (Germany) (2,1,0,1,1) - 5

14 (15) Hans Albert Klinge (Denmark) (1,1,1,2,0) - 5

15 (9) Jan Eriksson (Sweden) (1,0,2, r, 0) - 3

16 (6) Fausto Birbini (Italy) (0,0,0,1, xt) - 1

R1-Carl Bidersberger (Denmark)

R2-Christian Brandt (Germany)

 

In a previous iteration the three falls are marked as exclusions (и) so best guess is they should be fx.

 

Source: http://www.russpeedway.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2292&page=2

[June01]

Thanks, Arnie. Just wanted confirmation on the final scores for riders 5 (Marek Kepa), 7 (Anders Eriksson), 11 (Zbyszek Holy), 12 (Knud Ellegard), 14 (Josef Aigner) and 15 (Hans Albert Klinge) please, as speedway org say 8,9,7,11,4 and 6 points respectively.

[andout]

Oh dear...here we go again.....my programme is filled out in good handwriting and there are differences....

 

5 (7) 13221 9

7 (11) 01322 8

11(16) 02212 7

13 (15) 12120 6

 

I think I would take yours arnieg as correct but its interesting, even Russian fans make mistakes....LOL

Edited February 13, 2016 by andout

[June01]

So your programme and speedway.org seem to agree, and arnie's link and Wikipedia seem to tally. The joys of statistics.

[Puma23]

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