frigbo Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Does anyone have the complete list of scores from the 1978 European under 21 final won by Finn Jensen in Lonigo?? The Speedway Star is pretty vague, their list of scorers consists of some names i've never heard of (J.Juza, O.Keirjk, B.Rjszild, H.Mananiv, K.Nieuzjsliw, A.Gigoli and J.Romin!!) . I would be grateful if someone could post the individual scorechart for the meeting if poss. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 I can do the final points tally's but not individual score charts. Is that any help or do you already have that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted June 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 I have that already Grach. Thanks very much anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 The best I can do is this Frigbo, hope it helps a little even if it only gives the full names. 1 Finn Jensen Denmark 13 2 Kevin Jolly England 3 12 3 Neil Middledith England 2 12 4 Steve Finch England 1 12 5 Erik Gundersen Denmark 11 6 Hans Nielsen Denmark 10 7 Josef Juza Czech Republic 8 8 Pavel Karnas Czech Republic 8 9 Henryk Olszak Poland 6 10 Ryszard Romaniak Poland 6 11 Fausto Birbini Italy 5 12 Lillebror Johansson Sweden 5 13 Nikolaj Manev Bulgaria 4 14 Mieczyslaw Kmieciak Poland 4 15 Armando Gigliali Italy 2 16 Roman Jankowski Poland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sir Lunchalot Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Kevin, I've never tried this but if you knew the riders race numbers they wore and they used the traditional 20 heat meeting how close do you think you could get to the heat details ? It would be easy if the points finished 15,14,13,12,11, ....... etc down to 0 as you would know the top man didn't drop a point, second only dropped a point to the winner, third only dropped a point to the first two riders etc. There also has to be 20 heat winners, 20 second places, 20 thirds and 20 lasts. With the scores the way they were at this meeting (one on 13 and three on 12) it would make it a bit tricky but I reckon if I knew the riders numbers I could get it over 80% right if I fiddled about a bit and providing I stayed calm !!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Yes. I see where you're coming from Lunchy, but sadly I don't have the riders' race numbers. Can anyone help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted June 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 (edited) The best I can do is this Frigbo, hope it helps a little even if it only gives the full names. 1 Finn Jensen Denmark 13 2 Kevin Jolly England 3 12 3 Neil Middledith England 2 12 4 Steve Finch England 1 12 5 Erik Gundersen Denmark 11 6 Hans Nielsen Denmark 10 7 Josef Juza Czech Republic 8 8 Pavel Karnas Czech Republic 8 9 Henryk Olszak Poland 6 10 Ryszard Romaniak Poland 6 11 Fausto Birbini Italy 5 12 Lillebror Johansson Sweden 5 13 Nikolaj Manev Bulgaria 4 14 Mieczyslaw Kmieciak Poland 4 15 Armando Gigliali Italy 2 16 Roman Jankowski Poland 2 Thanks Kev, i recognise the rider names now. What a quality report that was in the Speedway Star Edited June 13, 2004 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stansolo Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Its mind boggling to think that Finn beat a well decent field of riders with the likes of Jolly, Middles, Finch, Jankowski let alone two future world champs in Nielsen & Gundersen (vote for Finn Jensen now in Brumspeed current poll : Your fav euro import) www.brummiespeedway.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can do the final points tally's but not individual score charts. Is that any help or do you already have that much? Bringing this back up to see if you still have this info please, Grachan? Several sources are saying Hans Nielsen finished on 11 and Henryk Olszak 5, but others are quoting 10, with Olszak ending on 6. This would make heat 15 the heat in question. I wondered if you (or anyone) can say definitively for my records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Its mind boggling to think that Finn beat a well decent field of riders with the likes of Jolly, Middles, Finch, Jankowski let alone two future world champs in Nielsen & Gundersen http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/blink.gif http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/blink.gif http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/blink.gif (vote for Finn Jensen now in Brumspeed current poll : Your fav euro import) www.brummiespeedway.co.uk On his day Finn was better than any of those (bar Erik and hand obviously ). Remember him coming to Hyde Rd in 84, a season where the aces were utterly dominant at home, and racking up a double digit score from reserve. I also remember some pretty rubbish displays!Finch was always excellent around Hyde Rd and the shay - never saw him on the smaller tracks, assume he was a big track specialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Jensen what a enigma he was, very talented a lovely riding style but he could not quite put it altogether. Saying that he did not have a bad career just did not do as well as expected Alf Busk similar in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionstigersnotbearsohmy Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Seem to remember him starting the 1983 season at Leicester like a train, outscoring the heat leaders. A poor spell later in the season saw him shipped out on loan to Reading (I think?). A very enigmatic rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Individual_Speedway_Junior_European_Championship But no saying this is the definitive answer.I know on speedway.org they have Nielsen on 10pts...... Wiki also has Hans finishing 5th on his profile,i see.Both Hans and the Lonigo club are on Facebook.Maybe contacting them will provide the answer,although I think the FIM should have all official results on their site,to stop any confusion as we have seen with the recent topic about the 1957 world final...... Edited February 11, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Individual_Speedway_Junior_European_Championship But no saying this is the definitive answer.I know on speedway.org they have Nielsen on 10pts...... Wiki also has Hans finishing 5th on his profile Yeah, but they seem to be using the article you quoted as their source for his position. Speedway.org gives: HN 6, HO 6 The Bulgarian website agrees with 10 and 6, but looking at spelling comparisons it was probably taken from speedway.org Speedweek.com agree with 10 and 6 also, and just to throw a wild card into the equation, Sportowefakty (Przemyslaw Jany) gives HN 11 and HO 6, which doesn't add up mathematically, so I think I can rule that one out. I'm currently posting things all over the place for other results and not having much luck. As you say, it would be nice if there was an official site. Edit: just looking at the 1979 results I can already see I'm going to have problems there too. That one seems to have even more inconsistencies than the others. So if anyone has an offer as to what the final scores were for the World U21 final in 1979 I'm putting in my plea now... Edited February 11, 2016 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 http://speedwayzone.dk/u21em-1978 Pretty good Website for all the U-21s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 http://speedwayzone.dk/u21em-1978 Pretty good Website for all the U-21s Thanks, but I know the author, and those results come from Wiki. What I'm really after is either someone who has a completed programme, or confirmation the 4th post in the thread is from the SS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Speedway Star w/e 29/07/78 reports: F. Jensen (Denmark) 13 K. Jolly (England) 12 N. Middleditch (England) 12 S. Finch (England) 12 E. Gundersen (Denmark) 11 H. Nielsen (Denmark) 10 B. Karnas (Czechoslovakia) 8 J. Juza (Czechoslovakia) 8 O. Keirjk (Poland) 6 B. Rjszild (Poland) 6 F. Birbini (Italy) 5 U. Johansson (Sweden) 5 H. Mananiv (Bulgaria) 4 K. Nieuzjsliw (Poland) 4 A. Gigioli (Italy) 2 J. Romin (Poland) 2 Scan of the report here https://app.box.com/s/4hgjlbo0g68qap5jev149v81yq7ati9g Edited February 12, 2016 by daveallan81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) OK so here you go, straight from the programme.....so much for the so-called official scores. The first column are the riding numbers and changes are in RED Hope this helps. Haven't been on the BSF for a long time, I see not too much has changed. 12 1 Finn Jensen Denmark 13 14 13 Kevin Jolly England 3 1216 Neil Middledith England 2 1215 Steve Finch England 1 1206 Erik Gundersen Denmark 11 1005 Hans Nielsen Denmark 1004 Josef Juza Czech Republic 808 Pavel Karnas Czech Republic 810 Henryk Olszak Poland 602 Ryszard Romaniak Poland 607 Fausto Birbini Italy 511 Lillebror Johansson Sweden 514 Nikolaj Manev Bulgaria 409 Mieczyslaw Kmieciak Poland 401 Armando Gigliali Italy 203 Roman Jankowski Poland 2 Finn Jensen was beaten in his last ride by Kevin Jolly. Edited February 13, 2016 by andout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Thank you, andout, that looks much more like it. Given the SS's rider lineup I'm not convinced they were actually at the same meeting anyway! Quite worrying that out of all available sources not one has the meeting winner's score correct. Thanks again. I don't suppose you have the 1979 final scores as well, do you (she asks cheekily but hopefully!) as there seem to be several discrepancies on that too? Edited February 13, 2016 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveallan81 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Are you willing to accept Jensen's score of 14 and Gundersen's 10 at face value or do you have other results to back that up? Download the file above again - I've added reports from the following weeks' Star that mention Jensen's 13 and Gundersen finishing 5th. The 1986 yearbook page is also attached at the back. Edited February 13, 2016 by daveallan81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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