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Fair enough I should have said 'it's my belief you're mistaken' as Joe really doesn't have that much sway.

I don't know there was no conversation between them. It is my belief. However neither does anyone know they did somehow conspire to gift holder points. With regards to the top 8, I agree.

Thank you for the condescending response. I just happen to think that things aren't as black and white as others do. But seeing as you know all the facts for certain I won't make any further comment

I'm amazed how some on here are so one sided in their views. Phil has amdmitted he thinks Greg's argument for Holder passing him was prettty thin & also that he feels Greg was completely in the wrong withdrawing from the rest of the meeting. However he makes a valid point in there were many better ways he could have allowed Holder through where he coulda have saved face. I also full respect his comment of having known Greg since he was 19 & just cannot see him cheat in that way. What I would say is, that he always keeps his nearest young rivals 'onside' so to speak. So I for one cannot seem him him screwing over Zmarzlik like that. It just isn't how Hancock plays the game. Another side note, although I agree Monster Joe should not be jumping around in the pits like a cheerleader, I think some here massively overestimate how much power/sway he has. It really isn't that great. And for those of you who think he and Greg had a pre race conversation about making the start then gifting Holder a point are very much mistaken. Also remember Woffinden had run a last in his 2nd ride so gifting Holder points meant his silver medal was in jeopardy. He's another Monster rider. Yes the last 4 years have produced 'Monster' world champions but we're any undeserved? As previously said maybe Holder was lucky in 2012 with the semi final but I stand by it was more Torun & Nicki's reputation that got him back in the re run. I'm not saying I fully disagree with this who are annoyed at Hancock on here. But there are some vilifying people who are just to at least try and look at both sides of the story. And as much as I try and respect everyone's point of view on here, there are many current & previous riders who with nothing to gain, think gregs exclusion was pretty terrible. They know him as a rider & as a person & really their judgement sits a bit stronger the ours who just THINK we know..

I would fully agree there are others that are tough. Doyle last year and Lindgren this year for sure. However there was about a 5 year spell where Nicki regularly stepped over the line. Unfortunately then that led to EVERYTHING he did being treated harshly.

Correct - superb example wish I'd used it. Fair enough if you don't like Greg, I'm not his biggest fan either. But to say Nicki was not deliberately dirty is preposterous, Anyway Greg was in the wrong, but it was a brilliant GP without him & roll on next year where I have him finishing top 8 at best. I mean some one was going to try and clump him with the amount of people he was upsetting. (like the Boyce/Gollob eg above) Not justifying it just saying it was obvious it was going to happen. The only surprise was the person who eventually did it...

Well yes he'd upset a lot of people for over a decade!

Because Greg is currently in the wrong it doesn't mean Nicki didn't get what was coming to him. Two very different issues!

Yea good point well made, it's the main talking point of the moment.

Is Greg really that bad of a guy? I'm not that big a fan of his but people are really steaming into him these days!

Fair enough, he coulda been probed on those points yes!

I never read that the bike was checked. In the Star Holder said "The took the cover off Gregs bike, hit clutch arm came off and the clutch was burnt out"

It headlines there was controversy then gives the opinions of those involved. What more were they supposed to do? Can't just accuse people because that would satisfy some people.

Phil any news on if G Laguta was ever taken into consideration or if he'll do the qualifiers next year?

What more should they have written? Not being facetious, genuine question.

Gave both sides of the story. How terrible of them.

I genuinely feel if there was another GP at the Etihad within the next month they would get close to 30k after that racing and of course an Aussie winner. Whether or not it will carry on to 1 years time we shall have to wait and see. Atmosphere was pretty good too. Put it this way there was as much noise when the Aussies did well as there was in Warsaw when the poles did well and it was half the crowd..

Anyway it was a cracking GP...

In all honesty I just want to see the best 15 riders and I think we're as near dam it as we've ever been.

Amen to that brother Id put money on a Red Bull rider winning next year too!

No not at all. He should be punished for what he supposedly did. But to take away a championship from a guy who scored the most points fair and square would make a mockery of the sport in my opinion. I respect yours is different I just happen not to agree. I think excluding him from that race and making a statement that they are keeping a watchful eye on 'team' riding was a sensible thing to do and I'm happy that has bee brought to the attention of everyone. Anything more would just open up too many cans of worms.

I just cant agree with sticking to a law that is that stupid sorry bud!

I think next year there is the best chance of a non Monster rider winning. The 3 Red Bull boys for a start will be in the mix, hopefully Doyle will be back to this years form, Dudek, the 2 Danes back to form. I for one cannot wait!

Ignoring/interpreting I'm just agreeing that whatever way you look at it, they aren't going to change. And lets face it if they did stick to the letter of the law and strip Hancock of the title that would be insanity.

That is some line up next year. Bring it on!!!