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Leaving aside that the thread is regards the printed Speedway Star, i was aware of that site and a few others but thanks anyway. The only problems with the link you give are that there are still no team averages and worst of all they present the averages in the awful points per race format. Sportowefakty until this year were the absolute Gods of stats and averages lol. They had a single page for each of the major league competitions in Europe, multiple levels for some of them, which comprised of firstly all the riders averages and then below that them all presented in team form. They also included in the averages the number of rides that were engine failures, falls and exclusions etc. plus as an additional extra a column giving the average flat number of points scored per meeting regardless of how many rides were taken. Also i think they listed the foreign riders into an additional table too. Sadly they have dropped the UK averages this season and also have gone to the points per race display.

But it's always handy to have a physical copy of the averages of every rider in the leagues and in team form. One can't carry a computer or laptop around at all times. Incidentally i don't 'crave' the info i just would like for it to be available as it always has been. I was noting that for something "in the age of instant information" published on a medium that facilitates instant information being two weeks out of date and not officially proof checked isn't all that great.

Not denigrating just pointing out that two weeks out of date is pretty useless in an age of instant information. Even weekly printed publications are only a week or days or a day behind. I'm sure i've even pointed others to SCB's site in the past, it's no problem with me. Gee not another one with childish retorts and a mind that can't cope with two lines of red font! Really is such a trivial matter something that occupies your mind, have you not other matters in life that would make you post to a forum. So are you going to be another who diverts threads to launch harassment and personal attacks on a poster? I only ask as you come out as another who's been hiding discontent (how many agonizing traumatic years in your case?) of a racecard notification consisting of six lines of text (OMG! two of them in red font) that thousands per week appreciate. As i've mentioned to another 'forensic analyst of posts' (must be similar to an extreme form of trainspotting) in these forums......like every other one i've seen on the internet this forum has coloured fonts available, there is no rule saying we must post in black text only. Every form of print and online media makes use of bold or coloured font to highlight a particular section if they so choose. If i choose to use two lines of red font and it makes your life hard to live, well sorry about that.

It will be interesting to see if the link above gets removed if mine does, as by sheer chance i've just noticed that the mod who goes trawling through historical and current threads removing links to my racecards has removed the one from last week in the Swedish section!!! What a pointless thing to do. Interestingly he has left Ghostwalkers link intact!!! It is really disgraceful now depriving International fans of notifications, they are not going to be looking in a 'General UK' section for a Swedish match racecard. UPDATE: It's just been point blank removed and not put anywhere else. TV meeting racecard AVAILABLE NOW FREE MiniMax Racecard Elitserien Elit Vetlanda vs. Piraterna Tuesday, 27th, May, 2014

With respect i'll make a point with as few or as many pages lol, paragraphs, words or letters as i wish lol I was just covering potential arguments in advance - not as in arguing mind. With the advent of the internet and it's instant news print publications they probably only show end of season scorers. Is there still a weekly mag such as 'Shoot'? i'd imagine they may. I gave my explanation as to why it's more important to have the current performance of the current full season published, in the same way that most football websites give current goalscorers updated daily (or other sporting sites and magazines give updated stats of performances in the actual current season) and was noting that those seeking specialist 'technical team building' averages can obtain them online. Publishing weekly upated actual averages in Speedway Star is perfectly reasonable and valid. Not so sure the same would apply for monthly greensheet (even though they get amended at irregular times within a month). It's the way it has always been and rightly so. We don't look at a race and mentally deduct that a rider who is scoring two points is actually scoring 2 minus 5%. Which is why we need averages that reflect what happens on the track. Lol well more useless than excellent then - TWO WEEKS gee. Also they wouldn't be verified stats checked over by someone whose paid job it is to proof check them. I know from simply filling in a programme at a meeting how easily mistakes can be made lol.

Just been backtracking through the comments on here and the updates site and others are not seeing what i see, i've seen lots of passing! and it's nice not to witness a sparse crowd. Out of order calling this off, witnessed many meetings way worse than the conditions here and there has been some hard racing recently without any problems.

OK fair enough although i'm slightly surprised if that's the case as it's something i tend to recollect from commentaries mentioning it, but i not blessed with the greatest memory. Lol yeah i know it's called 'start' money but Cookie in effect turned up for work to get his wages and did no work - ok that's harsh but technically he stopped work and still collected a pay cheque lol. Very nice ride by Tofty.

Noticing that Cook turned away from the nearby finishing line so didn't complete the race. When i was little and first attended speedway i'm sure that if a rider didn't finish the race he didn't get paid. So has Cook just declined money or in these days of signing fees and guarantees he wasn't fussed or do you get paid for simply starting a race?

Lol Geez Accidentally posted this where you would naturally expect it to be - in the relevant match thread, and i've just discovered my 24/7 chaperone has removed it hee hee. I'll be checking later that the rules are being applied to others, such as no mention in the betting thread of racecards, i've not visited there for a long while. Fortunately i guess most bookmark the racecards as the visitor ticker is zooming merrily away as normal. ELITE LEAGUE This match is live on Sky TV FREE AVAILABLE as of NOW! Direct download from the page, Monday, 26th, May, 2014. Local Time 7:30pm, UTC/GMT 6:30pm MiniMax Racecard Elite League Swindon vs. Belle Vue MiniMax Extended Racecard Elite League Swindon vs. Belle Vue

Yeah it did occur to me that Wright would be above Greaves but what can one do when it's from the clubs OFFICIAL website and i got a racecard to do lol. The BSPA blurb refers to "The Aces will have two guests at reserve having called in Charles Wright and Brendan Johnson to replace injured duo Stefan Nielsen and Lee Payne." Which if in order would contradict the Belle Vue site." Then again Swindon site surely wrongly says that "Belle Vue include Brendan Johnson and Charles Wright at reserve in place of Stefan Nielsen and Lee Payne." If the club, Belle Vue (or Swindon even), is giving out wrong information just hours ahead of the meeting i'll know to view them as an unreliable source in the future (OMG! saboteurs lol lol lol). Just going to have a quick Google around to see if can get confirmation or discover lack of it.

Are Sky using their own weather forecast then? A look at current radar and also a couple of hours ahead shows rain heading in the direction of the track. Whilst at this time of the day it's not covering the whole sky i just had a look at the Met Office hour by hour charts and they've certainly got heavy rain at several times ahead of the meeting for the local Blunsdon area.

Yeah but when you refer to 'actual' averages which ones do you mean? the greensheet ones? One can get the latter on the BSPA site if one's interest is in the technical regulations for team building averages. All i want access to in the Speedway Star are the 'actual' full averages including bonus points from every league and cup competition they have ridden in during the current season only, as it has always been. Which would give an indication of their actual sporting performance in the current single season. I wouldn't want to see a top goalscorers list consisting of only goals scored in a specific rolling time period or number of matches, or over part of two seasons. I would want to know the tally over the full current season.

To answer my own question lol...taken from the official BV site SWINDON: Peter Kildemand, Simin Gustafsson, Nick Morris, Dakota North, Troy Batchelor ©, Nathan Greaves, Steve Worrall BELLE VUE: Matej Zagar, Richie Worrall, Scott Nicholls, Michael Palm Toft, Craig Cook ©, Brendan Johnson (G), Charles Wright (G)

1. I could be wrong on this as i've got a poor memory lol, but didn't the Speedway Star always include (G) next to a guest rider's appearance in their match reports? I feel it is something that is very much needed. If it has been removed after previously being included i'd be very interested indeed as to for what reason. Admittedly i spend my time reading up on several sports and keep myself busy with lots of other things so i for one certainly can't memorize every rider in every team when reading through the weekly match reports section. It's harder at the start of the season too with riders having moved around and anyone new to the sport doesn't stand a chance. Also it should be highlighted when on multiple occasions teams have nearly half their line-up (3 riders) all guests. 2. On to a second complaint, where oh where are the team averages! Surely they should be being published by now??? I do hope their omission is not tied to this weird BSPA thing about 'hiding' fast track riders averages? One of the best features in the Speedway Star is that you can see every team's rider averages in a single issue, every rider in the leagues. I know there is pressure for space but for decades we have had access to this basic information. It leaves speedway fans with no access as to how all their teams riders are performing in this sporting season. The only official ones published don't take into account bonus points and have little bits of regulations modifying them. The rolling averages are of no use in discerning a riders form over the full current season. The official ones are intended for team building purposes and don't reflect basic sporting performance over the full current season which all other sports and it's publications provide stats for . At the moment it's a case of if we were a football fan we'd have no access to a list of this seasons goalscorers for a team (only a top section). The rolling averages in the early parts of the season would equate to how many goals a player had scored at the backend of the previous season added to those at the start of this season. That then would change into how many over a specified number of matches whilst subtracting goals scored outside of the specific timeline. What a farce that would be, what a farce we presently have in speedway. If they do reappear soon but follow the BSPA site's listings and exclude fast track riders from them it will be a farce. it would be strange if the races they are involved in were were to be treated as not having taken place for them, yet the other riders in the race who aren't fast track have the race included in their averages! Or would they be ignoring any race with a FT rider in, which i doubt. It's a bit of a mess the way it stands. The race either counts or it doesn't, it shouldn't count for some and not others in a race. It seems silly to make the data for FT riders not for public consumption! by publishing team averages with their averages excluded on the BSPA site. As touched upon earlier i steer clear of technical team building averages with their percentages added or deducted and/or rolling averages. Certainly for SPORTING PERFORMANCE indicators bonus points must be included. One can't deny that in the vast majority of races team mates don't race each other when they are placed next to one another, which is indeed why riders get PAID for not doing so with bonus points. I certainly give thanks and credit to Speedway Star for adhering to this age old tradition of publishing them as they always have been, when/if they list each teams average in their magazine. For those who want to know the team building averages and ranking of draft riders which change monthly they are of course available on the BSPA site. But what isn't available is the current season's sporting performance barometer of averages for each rider for their respective team, including bonus points for reasons stated. Hopefully when the Speedway Star publish their first weekly team averages of the season they will include Fast Track riders averages? I'm awaiting that with interest and hope they do.

Good, maybe lastword accidentally clicked on one of the many X's that wait to be clicked? Anyways glad you both, and myself too, seem to be safe. I say 'seem' because AV's don't catch all invaders at all lol. Not a bad day for racing mind and even in the latter match with fewer battles it's still nice to be able to watch the top riders against each other and lesser ones trying to gain a few scalps.

If this meeting should go ahead, heavy rain forecast in the Swindon region in the coming hours, any idea which reserve rides where?

Oh is it lol ok cheers you've saved me breaking into a flood of tears when i tune in tomorrow night UPDATE I take that back you mean we're away but still on TV, ok no tears at all then.

Sunny Manchester is the next stop tomorrow have a good evening all.

3.8.3 is i think the 'latest' release but when i scanned it with a secondary AV it showed a PUP in it, so i went with the previous stable version and all has been perfect. Lol. We ok now though we got Sopcast!

I've used it for many, many years and like you it's always my first option. Only thing i would add, and this not aimed at seasoned downloaders of software, but do exercise extreme caution even when downloading from an official page as you'll notice there are several 'download' buttons injected on to a page. Rather than digress the thread here i'd advise you to read up on trying to spot the ONE genuine download on a page and not buttons that whilst they may also download the programme you are after will include some nasties too.

Cheers mate, stunning quality as ever. Thank you and wish you an easy shift.

Gate 2 looks like being the worst gate of the year anywhere only two points after eight heats.

Is this still online Alan? i getting channel is offline. No biggie as i watching a stream if not.

Nice to Gollob still winning races in his Dotage lol. Don't suppose you noted/kept a list of them so others can search their files, or were they easily removed so people just need to run a scan? I just checked my Linux files and nothing there fortunately.

Birmingham fans would have enjoyed Zmarzlik's win there albeit in the reserves race. Should add he's performed well in other races this season. Wonder if Emil will finally get his wretched season so far on track today? I see NK not too busy to appear today