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Can't see the waiting to announce Masters being anything to do with Bewley or any other rider. They obviously had to wait for his parent club Somerset to declare and after his time at Edinburgh they were also given the priority over announcing him. Think news will be out in the next 48 hours and the last two places are the only ones they are trying to finalise. Bewley is a great talent, but signing him on 3.90 I think he is after a small reduction, it only leaves 5.63 and that's too much for even Museliak 6.34 and surely Belle Vue are more likely to sign the northern based school kid. Tobiasz and 3.00 is one good option with Patrick Hansen 7.00 or Skornicki 7.22 and a 2.00 the other surely.

Good looking team but Max was pretty much fed up with not being paid last season and while I understand it will be under new owners, he wants to get things sorted and rumours are that he is at Kings Lynn to replace Iversen and link up with Lambert, As for Zagar, his wages are too much for British Speedway these days but if you have a rider picking up roughly the same as the no The council won't just write it off and while a deal can be done, the owed rent is likely to be added to the current high rent, so if it goes up to qdxabout 12k a meeting, how can you add s rider that would add another 4K to that and you still have to add running costs, wages etc. Drop Zagar and stay committed to the Worralls, Cook and Jacobs then add Bewley and you have the foundation of a good but cheaper team and all ride in here only. Look at the line ups, teams don't need a Zagar or Holder etc at present or afford them to ride in a stadium with about 1,000 fans

I questioned this when it was first announced as they had little over five points left and bought in a new rider from abroad. Even if he was bought in last year as a 4.00 or a 5.00 then that would be multiplied by 1.4 so would be higher than what they had left. Not sure who owns him but don't think Peterborough would be too happy to suddenly find their new signing will be missing a certain amount of matches and if he is still a Eastbourne asset, then it should be who signed him first has priority in my opinion.

Wasn't sure if this was the Poole thread or the Wolves thread but Poole will always build a great looking team with bargains but let's not forget before a wheel was turned in 2016 people were predicting Poole wouldn't lose a single match yet they didn't make the play off final. Yes Poole have gained an advantage over others with Nicolai Klindt on 5.42 but it's clear he wasn't interested in returning to Wolves and Poole will look after him as they do with all their riders during the season. As for Wolves, a strong top three is fine but the second strings and reserves will be questionable as Howarth struggled at reserve most of the season to average just over five, which was a drop in his average from the previous season as a second string. Then you have possibly Skornicki returning after a few years out is a rider that has always raised to the challenge and looks better than some second strings elsewhere, but are these two enough to back up a top three ? Then at reserve you have two young riders who may never move up to the main body which in return means Howarth and Skornicki may be second strings all season where as Poole will have Newman and Klindt switching positions and James Shanes is a great prospect and will hock a few. Yes Poole will start as favourites but while Wolves are questionable whoever they end up with, they will be around the top and it's who is in form come October that wins, not April.

If they were allowed to ride in both leagues then the top league (Premiership) would only be one home one away so that takes it to 8 Premiership home meetings and 18 Championship home meetings. This would then give more chance for a few of the big names to return for just 16 fixtures especially if they are on a set night for Sky on Mondays or Wednesday or Thursday at other times. As for the crowds, they would still be wearing that teams colours and with five or six riders involved in both teams they should get a decent crowd plus they will get fans from tracks that don't usually ride there. Yes there would be a price difference but looking at the leagues over the last few years, there has been just a few pounds difference any way despite vast difference in wages. Certainly a better way forward as there would be no doubling up clashes so you wouldn't be missing riders at key meetings.

Fair play to Somerset on keeping the majority of the title winning team and then adding Hougaard as Sam Masters has made it clear where he wants to go and these days being an asset means very little apart from a loan fee.

Somerset - Tungate, Grajczonek and Hougaard Coventry - King, Garrity and Bjerre Poole - Kasprzak, Andersen and ? Rye House - Kennett, Nicholls and Harris Swindon - Doyle, Morris and Ellis Kings Lynn - ? ( Fricke, Lambert and Batchelor maybe) Leicester - ? Belle Vue - ? (Cook, Worrall and Worrall possibly) You can see why Wolves are going with a strong top three in Lindgren, Thorssell and Masters as that trio are as strong as any others and while the benefits can be seen in only having two big hitters and a more balanced remaining five, you need race winners and in reality all three are ten point riders. So presuming they are getting a 2.00 reserve, who is the best option upto 7.53 ? Skornicki offers more than Ty Proctor in my opinion and with Rory Schlein doubling up, do they really need another rider who could be unavailable at times. Batchelor is likely to be back at Kings Lynn on a bargain average which leaves riders like Berge, Riss or Ostergaard as others doubling up but in Tobiasz Museliak they have a club asset on a modest 6.34 average and will do better than two years ago and certainly ridden more than Skornicki and Proctor during the last few years, Lindgren 10.09 Museliak 6.34 Masters 8.97 Howarth 7.18 Thorssell 9.89 Clegg 4.34 2.00 - 3.19 Luke Bowen had a 3.00 average and has experience so could be worth considering as he would be full time if he is still riding, otherwise maybe Parkinson-Blackburn or Smith from Birminghams team last season. Hancock 46 Skornicki 40 That's a difference of ?

It was coming out of the second turn when Cook shut off as Freddie blasted under him and Zagar outside of them in just in front.

Who stuffed him on the home straight as the incident with Freddie was on the back straight and soon got put in his place by Zagar on and off the track. Any news on any signings or track yet ?

Is Mikkel B Andersen coming in on a 4.00 average and if so why isn't it 4.00 X 1.4 which is 5.60 ? Shame Justin Sedgeman hasn't got a place as he did a decent job for Swindon and only some poor scores late on knocked his average below six. His 7.60 average may seem a bit high but when you see Kyle Howarth, Kevin Wolbert and Matej Kus around the same mark it's the going rate next season but why have Swindon gone with Bellego instead of Sedgeman ? Two questions if you Robins fans don't mind giving your views.

Adam Skornicki last had an average from his time at Wolverhampton in 2013 when he averaged 6.14 so his real average would have been 8.59 but after time out injured his average has been reduced to 7.22 and while he may be thought of as a gamble, that tag has been with him a few times. When he signed for Poole there was comments about him but he proved them wrong and became a firm favourite there and wherever he has been and always proved the doubters wrong. If you take off the 1.4 he is at 5.16 in the old Elite League averages and as a second string against the likes of Lasse Bjerre, Stuart Robson, Kai Huckenback etc I'm sure he can still hold his own and is possibly worth a few points to any team by being in the team with younger riders he can help as he has been doing at Leszno with Piotr Pawlicki.

As long as people look at a riders real average then you can see that not only has the league got weaker but riders in the Premiership are carrying averages for an even weaker league where there was no Harris, Zagar, Lindgren, Holder etc etc. So riders like Kyle Howarth may be holding a 7.18 average but his true average in the top flight is 5.13 and Lindgren 7.21. So while people think Skornicki may be past his best, how many teams would have snapped him up last season if he was available on 5.15 and would anyone rate him lower than Matej Kus or Ben Barker for example as he has a lower average but many would pick him above those as a second string in the top league. If Wolves were to go with a 2.00 reserve and the name Parkinson-Blackburn keeps coming up, then Skornicki may be a gamble but one that could pay off looking at some of the other strings lining up. However Dmitri Berge could be a decent signing as he lines up with Berwick but with so many doubling up riders, Skornicki would be a full member of the team as would Tobiasz Museliak on 6.34 and a safer bet plus leaves 3.19 for the final rider but most lower riders are on 2.00 however when new averages are out, it could give them more scope when the limit goes to 42

Due to his injuries and time away, his average is assessed at 7.22. This has been done before with Steve Boxall and Robert Mear after time away that was less than the usual three years. If you take away 1.4 then you will get a more realistic average for riders so Skornicki and Howarth should be seen as 5 point riders and as second strings will be there to pick up the vital thirds and seconds so if they do sign Skornicki, don't expect him to be the seven point rider his average suggests he is as that is a Championship average as is Howarth. He wasn't but he could still be the rider to come in as like Skornicki he is Polish and while there is a difference as Tobiasz has a Ploush club, he is lining up alongside Freddie and is possibly a safer bet than Skornicki when it comes to potential points scored. On 6.34 it also means room for a 3.00 reserve.

How did Wolverhampton become Champions ? They started the season with a number one who had an average of just 6.80 while others had GP stars or consistent seven plus heat leaders. Many predicted they would miss the play offs and would be one of the kicking boys of the season with only Leicester saving them from the wooden spoon. The reason or reasons they won the title must be remembered as the same plan and thinking appears to have gone out of the window. Yes they had the number one draft reserve in Howarth on 5.53 but that advantage never paid dividends as many other reserves out scored him, averaged more and in some cases held a heat leader role for a time.Howarth however only broke out of reserves for a short spell and failed to dominate the reserve berths as expected. The reasons they won the title is largely down to having riders on modest averages who can improve like Thorssell 6.18, Lindgren 6.11 and Masters 5.60 with all three adding at least a point to their averages and holding down regular heat 15 nominations. They also met teams at the right time which is lucky for anyone but they also found replacements at the right time in PK for Bech and Woffinden for the dethroned 6.80 number one of Kylmakorpi. Lindgren maybe able to get close to a ten average but should drop a little and while Thorssell improved a lot, if he can average 8.5 he will do well. However Howarth starts on a 7.18 average gained from his Premier League rides this season in a league where he never faced the likes of Harris, Nicholls, Thorssell, Lindgren, Andersen, Kasprzak, Doyle, Fricke, Batchelor, Iversen etc etc etc so how can he be expected to get within two points of that figure. Even if he averages 5.18, a drop of two points, it's only just an improvement on his EL average which was mainly at reserve against draft riders and number sevens. Don't get me wrong, much of this can be said about any rider moving his PL average into the Premiership as it's an average they now have to carry in a stronger league just like Jack Holder, Stuart Robson, Lasse Bjerre etc etc. Take Kevin Wolbert for example, who is going to track him in the top league on an 8.00 average when you have experienced riders like Batchelor, Schlein, Watt etc on lower averages. The intial thought was fine, but riders holding a PL average should have been reduced by 1.2 and EL averages increased possibly by 1.4 Therefore Howarth and Holder would be 5.98 but Schlein would be still be 7.17 which is more realistic. Also Adam Ellis starts for Swindon on 7.84 after one season where he started as a 3.00 number seven and racked up big points in the draft races. Had he of raced in the PL he maybe would have averaged less than that so take off a point to make him 6.84 and more attractive to a Championship team to double up. So no bargains in the team due to inflated averages and an asset on a bargain and achievable average has gone elsewhere so what's the plan for the final three as these signings will be crucial. Do they go with a top three including Masters and therefore start with a weak reserve pairing of Clegg and a lower ranked rider or sign two seven pointers and still have a low reserve. Or the other option being to sign three riders that can all back up the top two and have a stronger reserve and keep Clegg as the number seven ? Whichever way, a promising and potential strong second string is required to help Howarth and that could be anyone like Batchelor, Schlein, Berge, Riss or Museliak who are either experienced or big potential and World U21 finalists. 1 LINDGREN 2 Museliak 3 HOWARTH 4 Berge or Riss 5 THORSSELL 6 Wilson-Dean or Lambert 7 CLEGG

Maybe the best way to go but Howarth isn't going to average anywhere near that figure and with reserves not being so protected, it's unlikely he will drop down and even if he did, Max would be moving up. That's on the assumption that Sam Masters isn't returning. But would you really want to go with Howarth at number three as a heat leader ? Ty Proctor hasn't been in the news much regarding riding and while it can be remembered how well he can go at Wolves, it's a big gamble bringing him back and into the top league even if it is watered down from previous years. Adam Skornicki falls into the same bracket and while his average should be much higher, Steve Boxall and Robert Mears had their averages reassessed after missing under three years. There are other options, see below He came to Wolves as he had reached the age of 21and was no longer at reserve and therefore unlike Pawlicki, he could be replaced in the Leszno team if required and sadly he didn't have a great time here, mainly due to the Monmore track but he showed at Belle Vue, Swindon and Poole he could score away. With the bond Wolves have with Skornicki, they have heard how last season he improved to something like the rider he was expected to turn into and in Sweden he also showed signs of getting back on track. Pete Adams likes Tobiasz and through Adam who has worked with him over the last two seasons, he is worth bringing back on 6.34 in a league weaker than the one he first came into at 6.50. Riding in the Olympique showed he can be a decent signing and the fact he shipped his own bikes over proves he wants to be considered and would say it's short odds that he will be back as a second string. While a strong top three is appealing, in Freddie and Jacob you have enough firepower and including Masters will mean a weaker tail end. If you didn't include Masters you could go with the team COL posted earlier but instead of Proctor maybe look at Kyle Newman 6.31 or Paul Starke 6.64 or maybe a gamble of Kacper Woryna 6.51 who surprisingly isn't in the Bees team. Why a member of the BSPA ? Think Nicolai will be named soon but will it be at Monmore or Wimborne ?

A lot of riders won't live up to their averages as it can't happen when you have two teams totalling 100 and for averages purpose you have 84 points 14 heats each having 4 rides) so many will drop. However Kyle at 7.18 and a second string appears to be a big risk as he rode most of the season as a reserve and averaged just five in many draft protected races. When you consider around the same mark is Batchelor or Schlein who have been top league heat leaders in harder races. Unless they sign a 2.00 reserve then Howarth will be the main second string Favourites ? If Masters signs, Howarth will be the main second string and the reserves will be National League riders with Clegg the main reserve and a number two around the five or six average mark. Masters joins there is just under 10 left for the last two so good chance Howarth will be at #4 and Clegg the main reserve. Signing Masters and another seven pointer along with a newbie seems the best option with what's left but if you want a better reserve pairing then Masters would be unlikely and a more balanced trio with Clegg the number seven could be seen as a team that can all score and give more backing to Howarth who could be the third heat leader

Poor looking team to be honest with Poole and Wolves looking at naming three quality heat leaders that are much stronger than Bees and Rye House naming a strong top four. Swindon still have another heat leader to unveil while we don't know which way Leicester, Kings Lynn and Belle Vue are heading but some do have strong links with riders. With the concern over work being done at Brandon and the fact Leicester have yet to be even linked to riders, could the plan be that Coventry move to Leicester for 2017 as the new owners are unlikely to invest on improvement to a stadium they have plans to demolish in the near future.

What are the bookies odds on the Press Statement being BEES COMPLETE AND MOVE TO LEICESTER ? Pictures do look in some cases to be a bit of a demolishing job or laying Tarmac eventually for the stock cars and no speedway and with very little movement or noise from Leicester could the two be connected ? PS Shocking team and when you compare King and Bjere with KK and Hans or Lindgren and Thorssell or Doyle and Morris it's looking like a second rate team with little potential apart from Bjerre being on a bargain average.

Most riders are over inflated in their averages and most will struggle to maintain that average and in some cases see their averages drop by one to two points but Klindt can average 5.42 without hassle and starting at reserve he can improve it. Also as a second string you are looking for him to score something like 1 1 2 1 which will give you heat advantages but at reserve your looking more like a score of 3. 1 2 1 = 7. and when you look at other riders around the 5.5 mark he is better than most and if he does go to Poole he will be the best reserve around. Lindgren, Thorssell, Masters and Clegg seem to be four of the riders for next years team so just over 17 left and if you add a 2.00 reserve like Parkinson-Blackburn then you could add Kylmakorpi and Klindt or even Museliak and one from Mikkel Bech, Robert Lambert or Anders Thomsen. 1 Fredrik Lindgren 2 Tobias Museliak 3 Sam Masters 4 Mikkel Bech / Anders Thomsen 5 Jacob Thorssell 6 Max Clegg 7 Parkinson-Blackburn / 2.00

Wolves have their top two secured and Max Clegg is sure to be added shortly and so should Sam Masters if doubling up works out and any red tape can be cleared, so there is 17.11 likely to be left for the three spaces left by Woffinden, Karlsson and almost certainly Howarth so they will be considerably weaker than the title winning seven. With heat leaders secured it is two second strings and a reserve required to finish off the team but which way they go is the mystery everyone tries to work out. Will it be three riders of equal ability or two strong signings and a new 2.00 reserve possibly from Birmingham or Cradley squads in the National League. Batchelor, Schlein, Howarth or Sedgman would be decent back up and Nicolai Klindt at 5.42 is the bargain and a Wolves asset which should be one of the first on the books but think he may be looking at a track that races on a different night and if there is a beach nearby, even better. Tobiasz Museilak is a asset and showed some of his potential last season in Sweden and in Poland has switched to the same track as Lindgren on a Sunday. As a second string he should be a decent signing and looking at the others around that figure, Dimitri Berge, Erik Riss and Rory Schlein would form a strong top five but mean a low ranking reserve with Clegg. If they are looking at a stronger reserve, Simon Lambert or Kai Huckenback are around five and worth considering but that leaves just about 12 for the last two and but signing both and one from Berge, Riss or Museilak would be a more balanced seven

Three signings so far and all with inflated averages that will go down by a few points when new averages will come into effect Doyle will be hard to beat but 11.11 is realistic while Ellis will do well to average six as would Bellego who are second strings at best they are going to need bargains to make this competitive like Batchelor who may even be a gamble considering his form last season while Justin Sedgman deserves another season. Those as a top five leaves little for the reserves though and looks like they will rebuild when new averages come in

He finished on 4.04 and will be the number seven for Wolves without doubt and as long as he sorts out his Visa, Sam Masters will be back on 8.88 to join Freddie and Jacob from the title winning team that finished the season. That means there would be 17.11 left for the last three. Nicolai Klindt at 5.42 would be a bargain but may be tempted elsewhere but Tobiasz Museilak on 6.34 would be a good second string and still leave 10.77 for the final two which could be a 3.00 reserve and a solid second string like Adam Skornicki if he is reassessed around seven meaning the other reserve could be Matt Williamson 3.76 1 Fredrik Lindgren 10.09 2 Tobiasz Museilak 6.34 3 Sam Masters 8.88 4 Adam Skornicki 7.00 5 Jacob Thorssell 9.88 6 Matt Williamson 3.76 7 Max Clegg 4.04 Both Freddie and Tobiasz are riding for the same Polish team (Rybnik) so could fly in from Katowice and with Adam not riding in Poland but living in Poznan could fly in together with Jacob (Zielona Gora) or Sam ((Rawicz) from Bydgoszcz on the Monday morning. Adam would be a gamble and averages will go down, but he is a good team man and after a few years running Leszno, he knows Tobiasz well and would be a good mentor to have on hand.

Does sound a decent average but since he went home, how much racing has he done and against who. Like Skornicki he would be a gamble He had some good meetings last year and remember he was much better away over here and to have a rider average more away than home is not only a bonus but also his home scores would improve. Clegg and Williamson would be too weak as a reserve pairing Impressed by Ellis last season but 7.84 is too much and he may have his average reduced due to being a EDR and if he is set around six he may just be at Poole with Todd Kurtz at reserve. ThorssellHarris Lewis Kerr ?

10.09 EL Freddie Lindgren 9.88 EL Jacob Thorssell 8.88 PL Sam Masters 7.17 PL Kyle Howarth 4.04 PL Max Clegg 7.71 PL Ricky Wells 5.42 PL Nicolai Klindt 8.90 EL 6.25 PL Kenneth Hansen 4.83 PL Ashley Morris 3.76 PL Matt Williamson 3.76 PL Tom Perry 9.21 EL Chris Harris 6.34 EL (2015) Tobias Musielak 5.43 PL (2015) Gino Manzares 6.68 PL (2015) Ty Proctor 7.00* ? ? Adam Skornicki - likely to be reassessed 6.78 PL Erik Riss Not sure if Freddie will be back next season with him now starting in the GP series as this year he was just a reserve but was needed every round. With more meetings from Friday to Sunday at away tracks, Jacob and Sam are more likely to be available as would Bomber now he is out of the series and be it Freddie or Bomber it would be a strong top three. Nicolai Klindt would have to be a must sign if they are using his 2016 Premier League average rather than the average he gained at Leicester where he finished top of their averages. With Jacob, Bomber, Sam, Nicolai and Max there would be just enough for Skornicki if he is reassess at seven and Gino on his 2015 PL average. Using Freddie, Sam and Jacob along with Nicolai and Max leaves a bit less for the other two at 11.69 but until it's official of what average will be used for Klindt, the final few places will be hard to call. Thorssell. Harris, Masters, Klindt and Clegg leaves 12.75 which is enough for Museliak and Hansen or Howarth/Skornicki and Manzares

Why would he come in on 7.35 when he never had a PL average last season and averaged 6.44 for Poole in the EL