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It will be an insult to the sport if he wins any more than 3, in fact 3 is a bit of a slap in the face.

Hope it isn't Doyle I would go for some one more neutral, or is that paranoid.

Hopefully David wont have any problems with his visa with the re staging date Such a pity as allot of people have put allot of work into this and it will ne nice to see them rewarded Every one at Berwick is really up for this we just need to wait a bit longer Now , bring on the I.O.W

Not really no.

Constructive as always

Gollob took Crump of any one who doesn't think that is deluded or just seeking attention

Not the best meeting ever other than the final Schleins pass of Piscz on the entry to the third bend was very impressive Piscz had the lead for the first lap after a pretty hard second bend but Rory powered under him, excellent pass from a rider who looked a class above the field all night. Pisczs effort to pass Howe in an earlier heat was also a pretty decent race. Individual meetings have really died a death in speedway these days, other than a major event like the PLRC. Tero was again the unfortunate victim as has been said Kerr came to grief on the second bend and Aarnio couldn't miss him going head first over the handlebars looked horrible. I don't know any better about Parkers fitness than what I have been told about the flu but it will be interesting to see what he does today. Peter Juul Larsen looked pretty decent last night for a first appearance at Berwick looks to have the backing behind him big sponsored van, three bikes always a good sign think he is going to do ok.

Biased I am but that's laughable And Rymel came from about 30 yards behind to pass Doyle of gate four to pass Parker and Doolan.

Of course the near 2 point difference in average means nothing.

Superb meeting IMO some of the racing from Woffinden and Rymel was superb, Tais out side pass on Niemenin and Rymels stalking of Doyle were worth the entrance money alone IMO. Riders did have gate pick in the Semi and Final Bunyan picked three purely based on it being his favourite number. Rymel has been electric from gate 4 at the majority of tracks all season it is actually his favourite gate and was of the belief that he could power round the other riders, unfortunately it wasn't to be but 3rd place is a superb achievement for him, he has done the club and him self proud and that puts a stamp on a fine season and confirms to every one that he now is a " number 1 ". Well done to Tai a deserved winner

Would sound about right yeah.

Stood there for both the World Team Cup and one of the PLRCs but really cant remember who won as I went to a few Viewing was superb up above the track would be good if it was open. Going to be interesting to see the crowd at this maybe time changes you're memory of things and I was younger but the PLRC at Sheffiled on a Sunday afternoon used to be some thing else with a big crowd, hope to see more of the same on Sunday

Is back straight open for this ? I take it not

Pijper representing Mildenhall is a poor show would have been better giving it to Gravesen IMO

And so there should be its the right thing to do to get riders from youre local tracks. They not just stick a Glasgow race jacket on Stoney ?. He seems happy with that idea. http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp.../a9/Grimace.jpg

So what is the PL promoters responsbility then what is the PL for ? Are you always going to mention Peter Waite ?. When I say not enough of them justifying it I mean of the Brits racing now

Its a side note on the whole affair another bullet point under why Brits are struggling IMO. I give you an example of a rider, being a Kings Lynn fan Doolan was wasting his career away due to a lack of dedication and probably finance, he went away and changed his life style and in turn his career around, sort of says some thing. Talent wasn't the question with him it was the dedication

And that's the point I'm making Harris ,Richardson and Nicholls are the country's best performers and like you say you don't see them pissed in the bar every week because they are dedicated they would rather be on a plane to Poland or Sweden to improve them selves and that is to there credit and they have got the rewards other riders should follow there example, there isn't enough dedication from riders in this country IMO

It isn't some thing I here of on a regular basis , and it if is some thing he is doing on a regular occurrence it isn't affecting his game, it does affect the Brits. He will ride in a World Team Cup Final on Saturday , some thing the Brits wont be doing. He is one of the most precious talents in World Speedway at the moment. Can you tell me if it does happen on a regular basis ?. And yes if he is having an occasional heavy night once in while fair play,he is on the way to making it IMO it is ok , call it reward for success. The Brit riders I see pissed on a regular basis aint rewarding them selves, drowning there sorrows for there constant failure maybe, a bit of dedication and a few early nights wouldn't go a miss, racing in a meeting doesn't mean you have to go and get pissed in the bar afterwards

The big difference is its a rare occurrence for Holder, I can understand riders need a social life, more for some one like Holder who is well on the way to making it.

And that is why Britain fail because they constantly write of and rubbish others, its the thing you dont see coming that hits you the hardest The ever so talented and progressive Tai as good as he is wont have much an answer to the average *cough* GP Winner *cough * Holta or the crap..... even though he isnt .... Jagus

Correct You can lead a horse to water and it might not drink it Lead a Young Brit to the bar and he will drink it dry

It isn't just Berwick though its the league in general it isn't the PL teams responsibility to develop British riders It is PL teams promoters responsibility to put a winning team on track as that is what fans want if this means signing a Dane,Swede,Finn,Australian in order to get a winning team they will always choose that option first. The number of foreign riders in the PL does affect the Brits progressing when I say Brits who aren't getting better I mean riders like Birkinshaw,Dicken,Smethills,Evans what about riders like this are they not affecting the progression path of other riders ?. It isn't just foreign riders that destroy the system To a lesser extent you could even blame people like Parker,Havelock,Zorro who came to the PL for an easy life, there presence has a positive affect on the younger riders there presence is also a team place a Young Brit could have the PL isn't second tier Speedway any more it isn't just a step up to bigger things, it has turned into a step down the ladder for allot of riders, as has the CL Rye is a one of they teams are investing allot of time and money into there youth development all credit to them,they have facilities and track time that others don't have they have a massive catchment area for talent that others dont have. If you want to solve a problem of Brits have a centre for youngsters than draught them out to PL teams on a capped wage, then we would find out how much they want it. To many riders in this country want to make a living or say " I'm a speedway rider " rather than having the attitude to make it IMO No clubs have closed due to supporting Brits but if you demand a team like Glasgow, Berwick, Edinburgh to sign Brits , they have tried in the past, riders wont travel that far North is that the fault of the clubs ?, They demand an excessive fee ? That the fault of the club ? Glasgow could still be sticking with Cockle now and he was never going to make any thing of him self so they then just have a rider who is dead wood in there team and adding very little to the value of the club or product instances like this would drive fans away IMO where as another team has an Auty and in turn makes them a winning team where as Glasgow are onto a loser and then the club is in trouble. Brits need to prove they are worthy of a team and IMO there isn't enough of them doing that.

Clutching at straws, a stone wall exclusion and a ridiculous move from Nicholls You are right no bike to bike contact Nicholls bike to Ljungs leg which straightened Ljung up That move almost made you feel sorry for Harris, but that was Bombers stupidity this instance it was Scotts

In response to the original post, fans support there team first and foremost and there country second or at least the majority do. I do agree that fans want results from a Brit from there fist time on track and offer very little time or perseverance to they riders, more so if there struggle costs there club team points. But that's what being a fan of a team is about you need to win its the same case being a promoter of a team you need to win. If the team fails due to persevering with non progressive Brits and eventually leads to poor crowds and results and the closure of the club is it really worth it ? If the team signs a Brit who is young genuinely talented say for example Auty I guess this is a similar case to Saijfutinov, he was a barging on 3.00 he was the talent every one wanted, if he got that many offers from different clubs would money become a priority to him rather than his career progressing ?. Yet again putting the club that wants a Brit in a difficult position.