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Correct You can lead a horse to water and it might not drink it Lead a Young Brit to the bar and he will drink it dry

It isn't just Berwick though its the league in general it isn't the PL teams responsibility to develop British riders It is PL teams promoters responsibility to put a winning team on track as that is what fans want if this means signing a Dane,Swede,Finn,Australian in order to get a winning team they will always choose that option first. The number of foreign riders in the PL does affect the Brits progressing when I say Brits who aren't getting better I mean riders like Birkinshaw,Dicken,Smethills,Evans what about riders like this are they not affecting the progression path of other riders ?. It isn't just foreign riders that destroy the system To a lesser extent you could even blame people like Parker,Havelock,Zorro who came to the PL for an easy life, there presence has a positive affect on the younger riders there presence is also a team place a Young Brit could have the PL isn't second tier Speedway any more it isn't just a step up to bigger things, it has turned into a step down the ladder for allot of riders, as has the CL Rye is a one of they teams are investing allot of time and money into there youth development all credit to them,they have facilities and track time that others don't have they have a massive catchment area for talent that others dont have. If you want to solve a problem of Brits have a centre for youngsters than draught them out to PL teams on a capped wage, then we would find out how much they want it. To many riders in this country want to make a living or say " I'm a speedway rider " rather than having the attitude to make it IMO No clubs have closed due to supporting Brits but if you demand a team like Glasgow, Berwick, Edinburgh to sign Brits , they have tried in the past, riders wont travel that far North is that the fault of the clubs ?, They demand an excessive fee ? That the fault of the club ? Glasgow could still be sticking with Cockle now and he was never going to make any thing of him self so they then just have a rider who is dead wood in there team and adding very little to the value of the club or product instances like this would drive fans away IMO where as another team has an Auty and in turn makes them a winning team where as Glasgow are onto a loser and then the club is in trouble. Brits need to prove they are worthy of a team and IMO there isn't enough of them doing that.

Clutching at straws, a stone wall exclusion and a ridiculous move from Nicholls You are right no bike to bike contact Nicholls bike to Ljungs leg which straightened Ljung up That move almost made you feel sorry for Harris, but that was Bombers stupidity this instance it was Scotts

In response to the original post, fans support there team first and foremost and there country second or at least the majority do. I do agree that fans want results from a Brit from there fist time on track and offer very little time or perseverance to they riders, more so if there struggle costs there club team points. But that's what being a fan of a team is about you need to win its the same case being a promoter of a team you need to win. If the team fails due to persevering with non progressive Brits and eventually leads to poor crowds and results and the closure of the club is it really worth it ? If the team signs a Brit who is young genuinely talented say for example Auty I guess this is a similar case to Saijfutinov, he was a barging on 3.00 he was the talent every one wanted, if he got that many offers from different clubs would money become a priority to him rather than his career progressing ?. Yet again putting the club that wants a Brit in a difficult position.

If they fail ?.

He hasn't had the best year he hasn't had the worst year either, it isn't the most surprising thing to see a rider have a consolidating year after hitting the level Chris did last year, He is still at the very early stages of his GP & SWC career, he has plenty of time to reach " world class " status , whether he ever will or not is open for debate, but I don't think he should be written of just yet. This was in reply to Subs Harris post.

I really don't like Holtas hair , I cant put my finger on it , it just doesn't suit his face.

There is a reason he wins world titles you know.

Thank god some one said it.

It ain't cheating its just smart, every rider has put it down on the first bend , if you got pent up aggression folks take it out on the referee Nicki didn't do any thing wrong.

Because Olly Allen is as good or bad as any Brit around Brandon , but hey he is an easy scape goat so why not pick on him. Why not pick the worst riders for Brandon that would make more sense

I thought the music was very good The sound at the place isn't the best IMO, but hey they played Baywatch at the start of race cant ask for much more.

The booing wasn't a problem for me , the frantic jumping up and down and blowing the air horn when he bounced down the back straight was just embarrassing. I didn't boo Nicki , Nicki didn't do any thing wrong, if there was an issue it was with the ref, but hey what ever floats some peoples boat I guess.

My money shall be going on AJ don't know why just a feeling I have, hope Hans does it like but don't think he will, but I will guess. 1.AJ 2 NP 3.JC 4.LA

I think he more than deserves to be the fifth member of the team , I don't think he is the same level as Holder yet , but Holder didn't disgrace him self last year at the SWC, he deserves a chance IMO

Can I ask some thing and I know this wont happen but hey ho If Kennet wins in Cardiff as a Wild Card is it possible he will go to the last GP in Germany and only have one ride and it would be the final ?.

Under the circumantces there isn't much else he could do. 12 men some may not get a rider but its an incentive for them , gives them some thing to aim for get some of they lads in there and let them see what its about. Its nice to see some one like Lawson get a bit of acknowledgment for his hard work as well IMO. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that , Team GB is going to take time and work it may get allot worse before it gets better , but it isn't going to get better having riders like Howe and Stead in there for ever They should still be included at this point, but at least there is a sign there that some one is willing to put the bricks in place to build from it

Well done Adrian what a season he is having

I don't think it is any thing to do with passion or desire, Crump just looks very slow, cant seem to hit the set up on the head in the GP any more, wonder if a change of tuner is needed, as one or two seem to have allot more power under than him these days.

I will be there.

All isolated incidents and hypothetical points being made, I am talking about what did happen. I am not wanting any thing done with it because nothing can be done with it , just doesn't say much for Nicholls that all he could do was knock his opponent of. Why would I ask him when I can post and bitch about it on a forum ?.

100 % correct, he tried to carry out a move that he couldn't execute , went for a hole that wasn't there, its a terrible thing to do to have nothing left against you're competitor but to knock them of.

Clutching at straws now arent you.

Nothing to do with it.

Great point well put.