Hodgy

Panthers.

The title of this thread is: "Robins 2014" So if that is not your concern, you're on the wrong thread!!

Would expect a ticket purchased in advance entitles you to use the season ticket gate, otherwise as Gemini states, what's the point. Problem with discounting is potential conflict with season ticket holders.

For the umpteenth time, it's not the format that has been the concern - but you choose to ignore whilst trying to be smart. Watch this space.

Honest interview with Ash Birks in this weeks SS.

Quite right, supporters don't need to know anything until they turn up on the day. Why would they? I'm surprised they have all announced their teams prior to race day. Then again that will change on a match by match basis.

Colourist

I was referring to your "many will not turn out". One day all this will be yours, yes you can have the curtains.

You said it, "the many". Sorry to bring the bad news, you are a minority.

The sooner you get a petition going the better, but you will be wasting your time, you need to give it a go! Maybe should have left the middle bit out, for now.

I will be in a position to decide if it's worth giving a chance.

We might be in a position to give it a chance, if we knew what it was.

Thanks for response. I guessed I might be wasting my time - we will just agree to disagree and watch this space. With respect, I am not losing sight of anything. All we would like to know are the rules surrounding the format (for the umpteenth time). If you and a few others aren't bothered, good on ya, that's your prerogative. With such a history of poor management and rash unthought through decisions I would like to know what I am buying in to. Some riders are now concerned with a potential loss of earnings. The fact that we are so close to the season with still far too many assumptions leads me to believe they are struggling with it. Otherwise it would have been communicated weeks ago. Oh no sorry, I've just remembered its because so many will make their own race cards if the format is released too soon. LOL

No, I don't ever recall declaring novices must fill the reserve berths in the top tier before now. In previous years should a reserve surpass their starting average they would move into the main body of a team with a lesser performer swapping places. That cannot happen in this structure. We have never had a situation where the heat leaders cannot race against the opposition reserves. Unfortunately injuries will happen in this sport and more likely to occur with lesser experienced riders. We now have a situation where a top rider can only ride against 5 of the opposition, as opposed to 7, for a reserve that number is 4 opposing riders - that's a major change from your simplicity. So how do we substitute the reserves? Likewise if a member of the top 5 is ruled out how do we cover their absence? The past 50 years would have been a reserve takes their remaining rides. If certain riders must not meet each other the options are very limited. Some of the assumed solutions are very open to tactical manipulation - a subject that has previously created pages of angry debate. Averages (albeit the catalyst for past misdemeanours) will be false as they will not be based on equality. Guests / RR as a result of fixture clashes, injuries, doubling, trebling or continental commitments will be in abundance - much more than previous seasons that have disappointed punters immensely. In my opinion they have really screwed up with this change. You now have a combined EL and NL but if you are fine with that, good on ya. I'll stick to the PL where they all meet each other and a max is a max. Enjoy...

I didn't need to. The answer is in my post you replied to - like some others you are not getting it. But hey that's ok, if your happy with it all good luck to you.

No, I'm saying what I said. I would like to know the rules surrounding the format before committing, examples as stated - but you knew that already.

That's the basics of Speedway but due to the drastic changes made it is not as simple as that. If it was the rule book wouldn't be so over complicated, that's before they now need to add several more pages as a result of the new structure. You haven't read my post at all.

Jeezzzz!!! Will some of you try and understand the concerns. It's not the actual race format, it's the rules surrounding it. It's what happens when the format cannot be followed that need to be clarified and communicated - long before the programme theives move in. I have no desire to watch numerous 3 rider races, top boys v ball boys, false averages and rules that are totally open to manipulation. Until these points are clear why would anyone commit? Mork calling Orson!!!

No idea what you are selling but I'll buy it, enough said.

So peeps are just moaning for the sake of it, it's top secret in order to prevent anyone printing their own free programme and it's all sorted? You are either a member of the BSPA or just on a wind up. Your comments are not serious, surely.

You are not convincing me that you get it all. Peeps are not moaning about the format, more concerned with the impact and implications of the new structure. I do admire your positivity but you don't appear to be debating more than just the heat formula, it's much more than that.

You really are not getting this.

Does moaning about people moaning also constitute moaning... The powers that be have really F'd up this time in my opinion - thus justifying supporters genuine concerns. They could have done something, admit they made a rash decision and the impact of such a decision is unmanageable. Or bury their heads and await the Grim Reaper. I would honestly like to be proven wrong but just can't see it.

Guess if they save the club spending but help improve the riders performance they contribute indirectly.

It's very admiral that Kyle works hard to gain and support sponsors. Do all these extra attendees actually pay to attend?