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Is ZG v Czes only being shown at 12:45 am Monday?

I'm confused... Is ZG v Czes being shown at all? Can't see it anywhere on my EPG

Did it rain do you know? This is great, perhaps we can start laying into the Polish League on this forum too... It's a 10 Zloty sport etc. etc.

Picture looked fine to me... should have gone to Specsavers

Yes, I can't wait to get back after re-discovering my mojo for Speedway last year following Leicester. My mojo went missing for a while after Coventry closed in 2016. Also can't wait to get back to Peterborough for some proper Speedway

I can't even ever remember him trying tbh

Out of interest, do you know how many other leagues operate with full time professional riders? I'm guessing Poland 1 & 2, Sweden 1, Not sure about Denmark for the non international riders?

They have obviously never seen Neil Collins with his wheel an inch in the air

The crowds at Belle Vue would suggest different

Eastbourne? Cardiff? Vojens? Lonigo? Prague?

I'll leave it with the facts In the last 20 years for Polish Speedway: 3 World Cup wins outside of Poland 2 World Champions As for the future... Who knows? I'll agree that a lot of the Poles are showing great promise but who knows which way they'll go. Who a few years ago would have said that Leon Madsen or Jason Doyle would turn out to be the riders they are today.

Well, you have got Kolodziej and KKand he's still well capable of beating either of them

Madsen, N Pedersen, NKI, Kildermand, K Bjerre, Michelsen, Hans Andersen, Thomsen, MJJ

They just keep winning it There's a lot of hot or miss merchants in that polish team

Yes, they're on the pace on their own tracks. I suppose it depends on what format you compare... Clearly the Russians have the best 2/3 man team, the poles probably the best 4/5 man team and I'd say the Danes would have the best 7/8 man team... All of the above on a neutral track of course

True... I just don't buy that the quality of rider the Polish system produces is anything special. Undoubtedly they've nailed the way to run a successful league. I just think they produce quantity rather than quality when it comes to riders. Just my opinion

I'd say only Hampel and KK have been genuinely world class out of that lot so far

Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners

Go on... Read the rest

Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though

Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway

I remember Jason Gage beating Hans Nielsen once at Peterborough, he brought the house down... Doesn't mean they're going to go on to great things

Can somebody read through these and summarise the relevant points... thanks https://www.pzm.pl/zuzel/regulaminy https://translate.google.co.uk/?hl=en-GB&tab=rT#view=home&op=translate&sl=pl&tl=en Rules.txt

It's the World Champ in the picture Hang on a minute, let's not blow too much smoke up the Poles bottoms... The fact is they have still only produced 3 world champions (ever), have won most of the team cups on their own tracks. even these under 23 (or is it 21) world beating reserves that we see disappear when they get older... where are the reserves of a few years ago now? I don't think, most, including me, are criticising Dave... It's Premier Sports not providing him with a co-commentator to work with. I don't know that I've ever watched any live sport that has been presented with a single commentator... since the 70's

The Speedway on TV issue is a complex one, looking back at the crowds in the early Sky days and it's pretty clear promoters of today would die for those crowds. A lot of "promotions" never promoted a televised event at their track. At the end of the day, for me and many people I suspect, it came down to money. Whenever Sky were at Coventry I never went... because they never reduced their admission, I wasn't going to pay £16 to watch a meeting I was already paying for on Sky, If they'd reduced it to a tenner (and once or twice they did) I would have attended (and I did). When clubs reduced their admission the crowds were generally much more healthy.