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To be honest, I wouldn't argue with any of that. But it was advanced as a factor and, in fairness, I felt I should include it.

Sure. The issue is whether agreement was reached on a 3pm start time before a change of heart (and, to a certain extent, why). Leicester clearly think so. Dudley clearly think so. The BSPA clearly think so (or why would they rule for 3pm?). I hope Villiers210 isn't holding his breath waiting for an answer to his question or he might be in a bad way come Tuesday! Edit: Oh, and to be fair to Mildenhall, they estimated a 15 per cent reduction in crowd figure for the previous week's different start time so that may be a big factor.

Don't forget that Perry would not have been there in any event, regardless of start time.

Thanks for blurring the issue. Simple question: Why did the BSPA rule the way it did in the teeth of Mildenhall saying that 3pm was never an option? Two: The upshot is that Dudley will be without two of their best riders; isn't trying to win the match largely (though not solely) the point of competitive sport? Three: Where have I indicated a lack of support for Dudley's younger riders? Four: 'Take a chill pill.' What's that about? I wouldn't regard my post as argumentative though would, of course, willingly accept that interpretation if honestly offered by others. Five: To borrow your own words, which part of my post goes anywhere near mentioning Stoke?

Dismissed? What a curious interpretation. Or are you attempting to indicate that Dudley's chances of victory on Sunday are not significantly damaged by the absence of two riders averaging 20.5 between them?

The answer to No.1 is that Dudley asked them to do so. Dudley chairman Nigel Pearson: “We were then told only last week that Mildenhall would be starting at 4.30 and the club then asked the BSPA to rule on this." The answer to No.2 is, presumably, that the BSPA have sifted the evidence and decided that the 3pm start time had been agreed and should stay. That's a very curious conclusion to reach if, as Mildenhall maintain, the time was never going to shift from 4.30pm, don't you think? Anyway, it's all done now. On with the motley.

Good meeting. Congratulations to Dudley on a fine performance. Commiserations to Stoke who battled away throughout and particularly to Ben Reade, who went shoulder to shoulder on the inside with Tom Perry in heat 12, gave him a racing line throughout and was finally passed only to be ambushed on the final corner by Byron Bekker as well, thus completing one of the finest and fairest efforts for the least reward that I have seen in some time.

Yep, little bit dizzy immediately afterwards but OK.

Sorry. I'll go back in the corner now.

For the record, he also had one ride last year as meeting reserve, finishing behind Holder but ahead of Crump and Holta.

Agreed, but equally with so few fixtures a rider would only have to miss one or two home matches to be artificially low or a couple of aways to be ridiculously high. Not easy either way.

Fair point, although Bekker also had two efs earlier and Dudley were running RR for Perry which was hardly adequate at the time. But, yes, you take what luck is on offer and the Heathens were certainly fortunate there.

A mark of the top two sides' domination that three-quarters of the league is in 'arrears'.

You'd better tell the SCB then, who still refer to it as the National Development League in the 2012 regulations at least once! The name aside, I'm sure you would accept that development of riders is part of its reason for existence. Obviously that would not be at the same level as the ADL and MDL you mention.

To a degree, Chris, I think you may have answered your own question there. The situation has been picked over on numerous threads but, in gist the answer from those who oppose your view (among them myself) is as follows: Roynon's horrendous injury history means he is way behind his contemporaries in terms of time on the bike and he needs a season such as this to rebuild his form and confidence. He's a young-ish Brit -- it is the National Development League -- and if he makes strides, then that's good for the sport as a whole. He's an excellent and enthusiastic captain (he travelled to this fixture last year when injured, purely to support the side) who sets the tone for a young squad. Tom Perry has repeatedly mentioned his desire to take the No.1 jacket; Roynon sets a high bar there to which others can aspire. Given Roynon's form across three leagues this season, it's salutary to recall that he didn't even start the 2012 NL campaign as the league's highest-averaged rider. He won't be in the NL next year, all being well, and Dudley fans will be pleased with his efforts and happy to see him moving back up the ladder. 21CH has posted more lengthily and eloquently along these lines somewhere and if I can dig that out later today I'll reproduce it. Cheers.

This is an excellent all-round effort and I commend it. A tiny, tiny observation is that the projected points calculation is made on each team's form (obviously) but without reference to forthcoming fixtures. Thus Mildenhall and Dudley, both showing excellent form but yet to meet each other, have projected end of season point totals of 49 and 45 respectively which is not possible.

Definitely think Tokley has something about him, given that was his first time out. Plenty of pace in the bends, just lacked a little entry speed. Not easy to gauge that on a small track. Will be interested to see how he comes on.

Well, that would have been us -- sure I would have noticed another dad and lad pairing, one of them carrying a white cane! We did enjoy it; I've been to Buxton before and there are so many different unusual aspects about going there, such as the location, size and shape of track, the fact that you can get so close to the action and so on (can't think of any other circuits where 'turn left after the third cattle grid' features in the instructions). Couldn't agree more with your Rye House assessment; I had this one down as about a 6-10pt home win. But RR for your number one can hardly instill optimism among the trooops.

Took my son along to this one for his first taste of speedway. Chose Buxton because, although registered blind, he does have some residual sight and off the top of my head I can't think of anywhere else where you can get closer to the action. Good performance by Buxton; Wright will clearly make a big difference and Branford looked happier at five although it's hard to gauge the merits of the home showing accurately given that Rye were running rider-replacement at No.1 (don't know the full ins and outs of that decision, but as an instant impression that disappointed me and could hardly have helped the gate). As a former Cumbrian resident I also wanted to give Ryan Blacklock a cheer but must have jinxed him as he withdrew injured in laying down his machine to avoid a fallen rider. Best wishes to him; it doesn't hurt any less when it's someone else's accident. Congratulations to Buxton and hopefully better times ahead for them.

And a great shame, too. At risk of going off-topic, is there a chance he might think again at some time? He's only 25 and would have a lot to offer.

A rule of thumb way of calculating how teams are performing if there's an imbalance of league fixtures so that some teams have ridden many more matches than others. Assume, for the sake of argument, that all matches are won by the home team and by a sufficient margin to take all three league points. Anything other than that affects the par score. So a drawn match would leave the home side on -2 (having dropped two points) and the away team on +2 for the same reason.

Manchester Paul will be on your case shortly.

Four of that Buxton team were in the Hitmen side that walloped Dudley 55-40 at Monmore last year, albeit not necessarily occupying the same roles, eg Branford is this year's No.1 where last year it was Adam Allott.

Couldn't have put it better m'self.

I'm not a Dudley supporter; but I would say the same about Roynon regardless of where he was riding. After this season, hopefully the NL and Roynon will part ways as he will no longer need it. But this year I would suggest the benefit has been mutual. By the by, he's also clearly a very good captain although I appreciate that point doesn't really come under the remit of the discussion.