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SCB, a few points: 1. Szczakiel also won the 1971 World Pairs Final, scoring a paid maximum. The New Zealand pair who finished second were two legends in Mauger and Briggs. You said he only had "one decent meeting in his whole career". I would say he had, at the very least, two utterly outstanding ones and has the FIM certificates to prove that! 2. 1973 World Team Cup Final. Szczakiel had a big crash three days beforehand, which affected his performance. 3. In the following year's Continental Semi-FInal (1974), he crashed out injured in his opening ride. 4. He wasn't a 'favourite' with the Polish authorities. However, they set the criteria for their five representatives for the 1973 final, and Szczakiel went out and made sure he got one of the places. Szczakiel was not consistent, but clearly could beat the very best on his day. It's often forgotten that he didn't just beat Ivan in the run-off for first place - he beat him earlier in the meeting too! Mauger did not consider him a fluke winner at all - he knew what the guy was capable of. All the best Rob

So you're saying Per Jonsson, Jan O Pedersen and Sam Ermolenko were "piss poor" and "pretty mediocre"? I think some Reading, Cradley and Wolves fans might take issue with those statements. My flabber has been gasted!! Personally, I thought they were all terrific riders. Per Jonsson was a rider with real trackcraft, Jan O Pedersen was the best over-taker I've ever seen, and Sam Ermolenko put one of the most consistent speedway seasons in 1993. There's no way that this lot were mediocre. All the best Rob

Had the ref got it wrong and excluded Hans, then the only way Tommy could have won it, would have been for Hans to do him a favour in Heat 20 and defeat Jan O, and also then Tommy to defeat Jan O in the run-off for first place. Given how Knudsen handled the pressure (or rather didn't) in other World Finals, my money would have been on Jan O Pedersen... IF the ref had got it wrong and not excluded Knudsen from Heat 15. Fortunately we had a competent ref for that final, who called it correctly. As for my so-called bias, Sid, have I not already said that I believe that Hans Nielsen's exclusion in the 1993 final was correct? All the best Rob

Sid, you've failed to grasp what Humph has actually said. He's said Knudsen did seem to be able to mix it at times with Nielsen at a domestic level (a big compliment, since Nielsen is one of the best riders, it not the best rider, at a domestic level), but couldn't mix it on the biggest stage. And the facts back that up. After finishing third in 1981 at the age of 19, Knudsen failed to finish in the top three again. He always somehow managed to mess it up. In '86, he did a Carter and left a major rival (Nielsen) with a gap on the inside - fatal error. In 1991, he won the supposed winners-takes-all Heat 1, but then threw other points, and ended up getting passed by Nielsen in the run-off for third. In 1992, he won his opening two rides, then fell apart when it started to rain. He again won his opening two rides in 1994... and again finished off the rostrum. Time and time again, Knudsen blew his chance in the World Championship. Performances such as his maximum in the 1985 World Team Cup Final showed how good he could be on the world stage, but when the pressure was really on in the individual event, he couldn't pull it off. He's in good company, there's a lot of good riders who couldn't quite win a World Final. All the best Rob

I like to be fair. And Sam was exceedingly lucky in the re-run, to say the least. But in 1986, the ref got it spot on. What's hilarious about that one is that some try to prove Hans was at fault, by posting the worst video footage-ever posted from somewhere across the other side of the track, around 100m away. When there's far better Danish TV coverage, shot from almost head on, which shows Hans sticking to the inside and TK cutting back across. Knudsen to blame for his own fall. All the best Rob

Now you're talking nonsense, young Sidney. Definite contact in 1986, but it came about because the already passed Knudsen cut back in. There's a camera angle from the Danish TV coverage which shows just how much Knudsen cut back across the track. An attempt to bolt the stable door after the horse had already bolted, with the inevitable consequences. Nielsen's exclusion in the 1993 final was correct, because he drifted across the track and hit Ermolenko. In '86, Hans kept it tight, only for TK to cut back in. All the best Rob

Yes, plus Olsen grabbing Nielsen by the hand at the beginning of the slow-down lap, and the crowd then celebrating. Kittilsen was conned by Ole on that occasion. All the best Rob

The contact I see is right at the end, on the exit of the turn and entry to the straight, when Carter’s front wheel brushes Penhall’s back wheel, as Carter is already on the way down. Are you seeing the knock of the handlebar at the point that Carter says there is contact? (although, as you mention, Carter’s description is somewhat misleading to say the least!). I’ve replayed several times (it’s around halfway around the second bend ) and can’t see a thing that suggests contact at that point, even when watching Carter's handlebar. It’s ironic, they bash into each other several times before that, the last being the entry to the first turn, but Carter comes off without any contact until he’s already on the way down. He really got himself into completely the wrong position. All the best Rob

I’m saying there’s no contact at that point that Kenny Carter says there is contact Watch the slow motion replay as Carter watches it. He says there is contact halfway around the second bend. There isn’t. It’s Carter imagination that there is contact at this point. But there is contact less a second later, on the exit of the bend, as Carter is already coming down. I think his front wheel brushes against Penhall’s back wheel. The referee was never going to exclude Penhall for that. It’s Carter’s decision to stay out there, rather than cut back. Just listen to Briggo – he doesn’t see it remotely as 50/50. What surprises me is that it’s still debated more than 33 years later, when I think there’s only one decision that could have been made. It makes me glad that we had an experienced referee who was handling his seventh or eighth World Final or something like that. The main blot on Tore Kittilsen's record was the 1979 World Paris Final... not the 1982 World Final. All the best Rob

If you're talking about the same bit of contact that I am (I assume so), then it happens when Carter has already charged into no man's land, instead of cutting back in. I think he's already on his way down at that point, even before he brushes Penhall's back wheel with his front wheel. He hits Penhall, rather than the other way around. Although 'hit' is hardly the word - they brush. Not that I think that causes Carter to fall; he's already put himself in the wrong place, and is on the way down. Penhall is a whole bike length in front at this point. Listen to Briggo's comments on the various replays. I don't think Briggo was in either camp, he'd call it the way he sees it anyway (Briggo was always very honest), and he know far more about speedway than either of us. He's of the opinion that Kenny Carter made a big mistake. All the best Rob

Muller was also class in the 1976 World Final. He scored 8 points, should have been 11, but fell off while leading Simmo in his final outing. Egon Muller would have definitely be a GP rider, had a series existed. Might have lacked the consistency to win a series, but would have won rounds. All the best Rob

As Carter falls off, he does brush against Penhall. But that's as he's already coming off. The previous contact is well, well before that. And the next contact is when an already falling Carter brushes into Penhall's back wheel. In no way does that cause Carter to call - he's already on his way down. As Briggo correctly calls (and he knows far more about speedway than either of us), Carter made a big error in giving Penhall the room on the inside. He tries to correct the situation too late, refuses to shut off, runs out of room and comes down, brushing into Penhall's back wheel on the way down. There is no contact from Penhall that causes Carter to fall. The mistake is Carter's. Barry Briggs: "(Carter) clips the back of Penhall's machine". All the best Rob

As evidenced the previous year with Jessup and Ross. The crowd didn't raise a murmur to the orchestrated Heat 20 from 1981. All the best Rob

No, you claimed to see contact, when several other people watching the same coverage, couldn't see any contact. You couldn't see any contact because there was no contact. Not at that point of the bend, in any case. All the best Rob

It's even more impressive than appears on paper. But for a fall while leading his final race in 1956, he would have contested a run-off for first place with Ove Fundin. All the best Rob

And what of Dave Jessup and Larry Ross at the same meeting 12 months previously? Or was that OK, because they were British and Commonwealth riders? Agreed - it was astonishing how much Penhall achieved in such a short period of time. All the best Rob

It wasn't in Backtrack. It's from the Kenny Carter book, "Tragedy". I did make that clear. And it's worth reading the whole quote (not just the bits that caught your eye!), including the first couple of paragraphs, which state that Bruce was uneasy talking about Kenny Carter in the first place. All the best Rob

Here's Bruce from the Kenny Carter book by Tony Mac: "I really don't want to say two words about Kenny Carter. In my eyes he was an absolute mental coward for the way he went and left his kids without parents. There are probably stronger words I could use, but that's what comes to my mind right now. "The only reason I agreed to talk about him for this book is that the book is going to make some money for his kids. So good luck with the book. I hope it goes well. "I am a true father, with four kids, and I couldn't, even on my worst day, imagine doing what he did, therefore I don't have one bit of respect for the kid." AND: "I've seen that incident (from the 1982 World Final) with Carter from hundreds of different angles, from footage from the people filming CHiPS, and it clearly shows from the back angle that I never hit Kenny when he fell. "But, you know what... the way I look at it now, after what he did to his wife and children, I wish I would've frickin' put him up in the middle of the grandstand." No controversial at all, in my eyes. Just saying how it is. Many people would agree with such sentiments. All the best Rob

He said that, as a father, he could never forgive Kenny Carter for what he had done - leaving two young kids without their mother. All the best Rob

The Overseas Final crowds at White City were highly hypocritical. The previous year (1981) one of the final races had featured Ivan Mauger, Michael Lee, Dave Jessup and Larry Ross. Mauger and Lee were in desperate need of points and received them finishing in a co-ordinated 1-2 finish that moved both onto eight points, DJ needed a single point to clinch the title and took it, Larry Ross had already qualified, had only a faint chance of winning (he needed to win the race, with DJ last to get a run-off) and was happy to cruise around in forth place. Poor Les Collins was the victim, as Lee and Mauger's extra points put him out of the World Championship. Did the "sporting Brits" boo Dave Jessup and Larry Ross? Not a sausage. Was it obvious what was happening? Well, no-one was going around pulling wheelies, but even as an 8-year-old at the meeting, I realised what was happening. It was very obvious. The following year I was an extremely annoyed 9-year-old in the White City crowd after Bruce - my hero - was jeered. I really couldn't see any difference between what he'd done and what DJ and Larry Ross had done 12 months previously. All the best Rob

Interestingly, Rickardsson never once reached an 11.00 average. The three most recent riders to do that were Jason Crump, Sam Ermolenko and Hans Nielsen. Rickardsson didn't seem to possess the same determination to totally dominate every single meeting across a season in the same manner as Fundin, Mauger or Nielsen. All the best Rob

If you consider the upcoming destruction of one of the most historic and famous speedway stadiums in the UK as "exciting", then maybe you're on the wrong forum. Dreadful news. All the best Rob

Sid, so Briggo had Ove's measure because he won six British titles and six BLRC titles, even though Ove wasn't in these meetings?? I think the figures speak for themselves. Briggo was a fabulous rider, but Ove was just a little bit better. Ronnie Moore was the best rider in the world, and overtaken by Fundin. Briggo hit a real purple patch around 1958, but slipped back after missing most of the 1959 season. From 1960 up until Craven's death, Craven was a little ahead of Briggo. Briggo was the best rider in the world for around a 3-4 year spell, after Fundin slipped into semi-retirement after the closure of Norwich. The 1967 World Final is notable. Fundin had only done a handful of meetings all year but still won it. All the best Rob

Although he was a vital part of their 1977 championship winning side.... his name was in every programme All the best Rob PS Steve, I can thoroughly recommend the Bank Holiday double-headers at Scunthorpe.

More based on what my dad used to tell me. He was very relieved when Oxford turned down Ole Olsen in 1975 and ended up with Dag Lovaas instead. All the best Rob