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Glasgow's results are still inconsistent... massive win at Berwick, surprise defeat at Redcar, humping the Monarchs today, but I still reckon it's between them at Somerset this season. All the best Rob

Here we go again Just to point out again (for the nnnnth time ) that there is no such thing as doubling-up between the NL and the higher leagues. Riders can ride NL in addition (where eligible) but it's not doubling-up, it's simply riding in an additional league. NL never takes priority except when it's the NLRC. If you read the SCB statement, it doesn't refer to section 16 at any point, because this section is irrelevant when it comes to the NL. Please point out where rule 16.1.3 is quoted in the SCB Press Release. Monarchs making up the rules as they go along, as usual, but it didn't do you much good against Glasgow today. 'Mon the Tigers. All the best Rob

Lewy, what's the update on Stefan Nielsen? Is he likely to be out for the year? I hope he can come back. He was flying in his guest performance for Scunthorpe against Sheffield. All the best Rob Yeah, Kyle Newman's dad and sister come across as really nice people. All the best Rob

Still spouting the same one-eyed nonsense, I see. NL does not have priority over the PL; it's simply that Edinburgh were instructed by someone within the BSPA that the NL meeting took priority, even though it shouldn't. The SCB statement simply made reference to Edinburgh being instructed; it doesn't back it up with reference to a rule, since the rules say the opposite. There are no Doubling Up rules between the NL and the higher leagues - section 16 is therefore invalid. Rule 19.9.3 is quite clear on the matter. There's surely far more case for a facility for an injured rider, rather than a rider riding in a lesser-priority meeting. As usual, the rules have been applied in Edinburgh's favour in both instances. Nothing new there, then All the best Rob

Scorpions led 27-20 at one point, and still led with three heats to go, but final score was 49-40 to Monarchs. All the best Rob

Hi Al, yes 18.10 needs re-wording and also perhaps 19.9.3. There's another thing that the statement doesn't make clear (it also needs an amendment, because Friday to Sunday is not 72 hours!). Was the BSPA member actually correct in telling Edinburgh that the NL league meeting took priority, even if the PL fixture was re-arranged? 19.9.3 suggests otherwise. Al, it may be something that the Edinburgh promotion want to clarify for future clashes, to avoid future furore! No, I've been around long enough to realise that Edinburgh always get their own way. Still time to move on. All the very best with hugs and kisses Rob

Definitely two different stadiums a quarter of a mile (or so) apart!! All the best Rob

Actually what it says on the BSPA website is: Campbell said: “The BSPA issue National League green sheets which clearly indicate Mitchell was eligible. That’s what we all work from.” So Edinburgh were booking Davey as a NL guest. Which is an ignorance-is-bliss approach, rather than spending two minutes on the BSPA website... as I did, and found a past 4.23 PL average for Mitchell Davey during the course of 2009. And last year, Alex Davies was issued the wrong GSA, just before Scunthorpe went to Edinburgh. Did the Monarchs say "we all work from the green sheets" or come the night, did Scunthorpe have to change around their side, moving up Alex Davies from reserve to up in the team? The error was pointed out prior to the meeting (although how on earth the usually astute Monarchs management thought Mitchell Davey could be eligible is beyond me) , with Scunthorpe following procedures, so therefore the Monarchs should have reverted to using e.g. Layne Cupitt who was there for the second half. All the best Rob

But Bewley should have been at Scunthorpe: 19.9.3 Where a rider is additionally declared in a PL and/or EL Team, the EL and/or PL Team shall have priority, except that a rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC. So NL guest only according to 18.10 e). And Davey isn't eligible for that - his 2009 Glasgow figures are proof of that. Or did the NLRC take place at Buxton on Sunday without anyone noticing? All the best Rob

Had a spare 15 minutes during my lunchtime at work today, so copied Davey's 2009 figures from the Speedway Star (PT & PL only) into my averages spread-sheet: 04-Apr 5 4 1 CMA 5 4 1 3.20 05-Apr 3 3 0 CMA 8 7 1 3.50 12-Apr 6 11 2 CMA 14 18 3 5.14 13-Apr 3 1 0 CMA 17 19 3 4.47 19-Apr 5 7 1 CMA 22 26 4 4.73 23-Apr 6 6 1 CMA 28 32 5 4.57 25-Apr 6 4 0 CMA 34 36 5 4.24 26-Apr 6 12 3 CMA 40 48 8 4.80 30-Apr 7 10 2 CMA 47 58 10 4.94 03-May 7 8 1 CMA 54 66 11 4.89 17-May 7 9 0 CMA 61 75 11 4.92 29-May 6 4 0 CMA 67 79 11 4.72 31-May 6 7 0 CMA 73 86 11 4.71 04-Jun 7 5 1 CMA 80 91 12 4.55 07-Jun 5 2 1 CMA 85 93 13 4.38 12-Jun 7 3 1 CMA 92 96 14 4.17 14-Jun 5 8 2 CMA 97 104 16 4.29 21-Jun 6 5 2 CMA 103 109 18 4.23 28-Jun 5 2 0 CMA 108 111 18 4.11 04-Jul 6 6 0 CMA 114 117 18 4.11 05-Jul 6 5 2 CMA 120 122 20 4.07 10-Jul 6 8 0 CMA 126 130 20 4.13 12-Jul 4 1 1 CMA 130 131 21 4.03 19-Jul 6 4 2 CMA 136 135 23 3.97 22-Jul 6 4 0 CMA 142 139 23 3.92 26-Jul 4 4 0 CMA 146 143 23 3.92 02-Aug 6 3 1 CMA 152 146 24 3.84 09-Aug 6 6 4 CMA 158 152 28 3.85 19-Aug 3 1 0 CMA 161 153 28 3.80 20-Aug 6 7 0 CMA 167 160 28 3.83 21-Aug 7 11 1 CMA 174 171 29 3.93 28-Aug 4 1 1 CMA 178 172 30 3.87 30-Aug 7 7 2 CMA 185 179 32 3.87 31-Aug 6 4 1 CMA 191 183 33 3.83 05-Sep 7 7 0 CMA 198 190 33 3.84 13-Sep 4 3 2 CMA 202 193 35 3.82 19-Sep 4 1 1 CMA 206 194 36 3.77 20-Sep 4 4 1 CMA 210 198 37 3.77 The bold figures show his Green Sheet Average at the cut-off for each month: May (i.e. meetings until April 23rd) 4.57 - actually not sure if this one is enough meetings to gain a new average June 4.92 July 4.23 (at this point, Glasgow redeclared with William Lawson in the side, hence the figure on the team declarations page - thanks King Jamie for that tip) August 3.92 (the figure in the Scunny programme) September 3.93 October and final 3.77. Proof that Mitchell Davey's Green sheet average was definitely greater than 4.00 for a good chunk of the 2009 season (on top of the fact that he started 2008 on an assessed 5.00 figure!!!). All the best Rob

Is this 50 questions? I saw the result, saw there wasn't a thread and decided to start one. I didn't realise that was a crime. All the best Rob

Nah, just curious as to what happened. I've now read a version of events on the Kent website and I can see why you might think I was on the wind up, although ultimately it is the referee and home promotion who dictate the pace of the meeting, although the away team can certainly put in a spanner in the works! Although, correct me if I'm wrong, but I make the number of two-minute exclusions as two apiece on each side. All the best Rob

Final score: Kent 41 Birmingham 43... with last race not staged due to curfew. It seems to me a real shame that Kent didn't get on with this one a bit quicker - it's a shame when a clash between two of the league's big guns is decided by curfew. Any thoughts from those who were there? All the best Rob

That's another cracker. There was also Josh's Heat 11 against Ipswich a couple of weeks ago at the EWR, when he passed both Witches on the final lap. All the best Rob

Cyclone, Oh dear, I didn't think this needed explaining twice, but here goes: 18.10 e) refers to an average never going above 4.00. So the Team Declaration is very relevant, because it shows Davey on 4.23 during the year. Yes, his final figure slipped to 3.77 in his final 2009 Green Sheet average, but the key thing was that his GSA was 4.23 earlier in the season. He did have a GSA more than 4.00 during the season. Understand now? Superb stuff, although for me the race of the season is still Heat 15 against Glasgow, with Ryan going from 4th to 2nd to 4th to 3rd (I think!!) All the best Rob

Rob Hollingworth up to 61 and queries on about 10 tracks which I'm trying to find out. It's really tricky, because he rode in Southern Track meetings after his Conference League comeback. Just found details of a STRA meeting he did at the Isle Of Wight. All the best Rob

Let’s have a look at the two sets of figures for Monarchs, who finished their 2009 fixtures early: Team declaration: 1 Ryan Fisher 8.25 2 Andrew Tully 7.33 3 Kevin Wolbert 7.00 4 Matthew Wethers 6.97 5 Michal Rajowski 6.33 6 Aaron Summers 6.07 7 Kalle Katajisto 3.00 Total 44.95 Green Sheet: Ryan Fisher 37 18 19 178 367 7.40 8.25 Andrew Tully 21 12 9 96 176 6.80 7.33 Kevin Wolbert *Ass* 11 6 5 48 105 7.00 Ass Matthew Wethers 38 19 19 182 317 7.30 6.97 Michal Rajkowski 38 19 19 189 299 4.33 6.33 Aaron Summers 37 19 18 197 299 5.00 6.07 Kalle Katajisto *Ass* 0 0 0 0 0 3.00 Ass Tomas Jonasson 9 3 6 41 80 7.32 Sean Stoddart 19 10 9 62 45 3.59 3.00 Byron Bekker 38 18 20 137 93 3.00 3.00 See Prev. Club Max Dilger *Ass* 12 5 7 41 22 7.00 3.00 EXACTLY the same. It’s clear that the team declaration figures did not include bonus points for 2009, and that Glasgow simply had an awful October. Mitchell Davey’s GSA (excluding bonus) was 4.23 during 2009 (before his final figure for the year at 3.77). It’s there in black and white. All the best Rob

Al, mistakes on the Green Sheet averages can be corrected. Remember the beginning of last year, when Alex Davies was given a very strange average and was all to set to line up at reserve for Scorpions at Edinburgh, only for Monarchs to put out the error prior to the meeting, prompting a late minute switch of the Scunny line-up? Davey clearly cannot be used as a NL guest. I can't believe that the ever-shrewd Monarchs' management didn't realise that. Oh, and stop all this stuff about NL taking priority. That simply doesn't happen. There may be a gentleman's agreement between Edinburgh and Belle Vue regarding Bewley, but stop pretending that it entitles you to anything but a NL guest. All the best Rob

Al, if one were cynical, one might suggest that Edinburgh were well aware of the obvious error in the NL Green Sheets regarding Davey, and announced his presence as late as possible (late yesterday morning), to try to stop anybody spotting it in time. Unfortunately for them, Scunny did, and placed a protest in time. How on earth did Edinburgh seriously think they could use a rider who came in on a 5.00 assessed PL average as a NL guest? We'll wait and see the outcome. All the best Rob

Blobby, check here: http://scunthorpescorpions.co/?p=5917 “It was quite clear to us that his inclusion was illegal”, says Peet. “We rode under protest regarding his eligibility, so we’ll wait and see how that goes.” Scunny were riding under protest. All the best Rob I think you're clutching at straws Al. 18.10 e) has clearly been broken. All the best Rob

It doesn't matter, because he's not a guest! Mitchell Davey's average was 4.23 at one point during 2009, as this reveals: http://www.speedwaygb.co/premierleagueteams09 Might have gone even higher than that at some point - I'm sure some Glasgow fans might have a full month-by-month summary of his averages. All the nest Rob

Lewy, difference between manipulating them and breaking them. All the best Rob

Edinburgh opted through choice not to use Bewley today, so E applies. You don't get a facility if you choose not to use a rider. Ironically, I think Davey is eligible to ride at No 7, but not to guest for someone else under 18.10 e) All the best Rob

You mean this one: 18.10 FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-U or EDR (if riding for the “other” team) G or RR b ) 1 Absent rider (2 – 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) “No Facility”: NL G* NL G*: a rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above A quick check of the BSPA website shows that Mitchell Davey's average has gone above 4.00 in the past. For example, I spotted that his GSA for October 2009 was 4.23. All the best Rob

It was an edit, as I checked it earlier and no mention of Bewley or Davey. Have now edited the Scunny website accordingly. All the best Rob