Grachan

Well done to Belle Vue on what looks like an exciting win. It's funny how matches that look unattractive turn out good like that. People predicting the end of the Robins should note it only needed a Jason Doyle win in the final heat to take the tie. BWD was missed. Hope Swindon can see that now. What I think got us into such great form this year was the spirit in the side. You won't get that with ringer guests. In fact I think we lost that when we lost Zach (or it looked that way anyway).

Obviously I hope Swindon go through from this, but does it really matter any more? If Swindon are going to win anything this year then I want them do do it with their own riders as much as possible.

I agree. In fact, it would be an ideal meeting for him to test his fitness.

On the subject of 'throwing toys out of the pram', which team was guilty of 'throwing their toys out of the pram' and ruined the decent scoring system of league points by saying that their fans didn't link it when they only got 2 points for a home win instead of 3?

Yup. They never went down. Another waste of time with having relegation. Can't remember the exact reason given, but I seem to recall it involved Berwick. If you are going to have promotion and relegation then have it and do it properly, or don't do it at all.

What about Leicester, if they get relegated? Can they then decide to go up?

Why should Lakeside be allowed in the Premiership? Promotion and relegation has been introduced so they should be made to work their way back up.

Whatever points limit they come up with, that will be over it.

Oh well, if he's been rubbish then fair enough. Good idea getting a rubbish guest in at no 6. I wouldn't call Musielak's average baffling, as we knows maths isn't a strong point of the BSPA. Anyway, it's the least they could do after putting Doyle at over 13!

Will miss Zach, but THJ being allowed to guest for BWD just doesn't make sense. Surely there needs to be some sort of grading system for guests.

I already did that on the previous page! Yeah, I made it that too.

Wasn't he ever! Shocking. I blame the Poole gate man.

Heat 8 is 3-3 instead of 6-3 as there would have been no TR. It's not one of Cook's races.

If Cook had turned up and scored a maximum. Heat 1 - 4-2 (+1) Heat 6 - 4-2 (+2) Heat 8 - 3-3 (20-27) Heat 10 - 4-2 (27-32) Heat 13 - 4-2 (37-40) Heat 15 3-3 (42-47)

The play offs are rearranged. The original dates given when BT issued their schedule were later than this. I remember this because originally they didn't clash with me being away, but now they do.

Belle Vue may as well say he is withdrawing his services and use a guest or R/R. The season is effectively over anyway if they don't. I remember Swindon took that option a few years back when Renat Gafurov suddenly became unavailable for a playy-off semi at Reading. It wasn't the rider's fault but it was the only chance Swindon had. I think they still lost anyway, and it became the end of their season, but a chance had to be taken.

What have the Belle Vue management said?

You may well be correct, although it's certainly not a clear, written rule that it should be. In fact, the clear written rule says that the result should stand. So, in the end, whether or not the dispensation should be applied comes down to someone's opinion rather than a matter of fact. As I said before, whatever they do decide they need to decide it pretty soon to stop the second leg becoming more of a farce than it already is.

Johansson being able to guest for BWD is crazy! I thought people were taking the Mickey out of the Poole situation until I checked the averages. Having said that, Bradley did get a maximum there earlier in the season. Hmmmm, not really as clear cut as 15.10 though, I'd say. They have specifically stated that results cannot be amended other than for the reasons given. In other words, if the ref makes a cock up on an individual heat result his decision must stand once the meeting result is declared.

The act of removing the points, and amending the score of the match for that reason, would, in itself, be against the rules.

I thought it was a valid enough post from Gus fix. I nearly posted about Freddie Williams myself until I spotted the original post mentioned single time winners.

Wrong thread, Steve. This one is a thread about meetings between potential KO Cup winners.

Can someone point me to the rule that says the result should be amended if a riders doesn't have his full quota of rides please. I've had a look, but can only find this one. Probably an oversight on my part. 15.10 The result of a Meeting can only be amended if: a) the Referee has made an error in the recording of a heat or the Meeting Results or b ) that an absent rider, having been given a Facility is found to have ridden elsewhere in contravention to the Facility so given.

The Newman Google's thing was, to be honest, a lot of fuss over nothing. There are many instances I remember seeing riders removing goggles or face masks because they couldn't see. People were even praising riders for riding in a match at King's Lynn this year where it was raining and riders were removing goggles. Newman was actually riding at a disadvantage when he did that. The Swindon situation is a bit different as it was clearly against rules. Just hard to believe that two managers plus a referee failed to notice.

You, yourself, have made many a comment on how you think Rosco is incompetent with messing up on tactics, so I guess it's clear how you see it. Come on. It's obvious this was a mistake rather than an attempt to cheat.