moxey63

Merely going on titles to judge who's best is pathetic. Are you telling me Jerzy Szczakiel was actually Poland's best before Mr Gollob robbed us of that opinion? Sometimes it's better to look at a wider angle, like domestic form also. The name that keeps popping up in my mind, for example, is Leigh Adams. He barely failed in domestic speedway and yet took yonks to win his first GP meeting, at a time there were many more quality riders than there are today. Do you recall why we all said Woffinden chose to be British when he could have chosen Australia at the start of his career - it was because, and many said it, he'd have had no chance of getting in the Aussie squad. The competition was harder 10 years back.

Scott Nicholls - most British titles. I mean, we are going on titles, aren't we?

But I still insist Woffinden is not the best British rider of all time.

I know that... idiot. Perhaps you're the third one, that was placed into care.

I am Alan Robertson, Chunky. I am not hiding behind anything. Many people know who I am on here, Chunky.

Here he is again, an adult in a full football kit. Grow up, man. I would love it... love it... if you could find these posts in which I've said all that. A lie is halfway around the forum before the truth has its pants on.

That's what I said. You're beginning to sound like one of those Beavis and Butthead characters, the dim one.

I don't want this to carry on, as it could do. It's childish. Your post above echoes my life. Just because I don't care much for current speedway doesn't mean I still don't buy stuff from its history or don't have a hobby in collecting stats etc from its history. You throw things in my direction but you get all defensive when I assume things about you. We are all fans in one sort of way, but we are behaving like brave trolls that say anything because it's behind a keyboard. Let's draw a line.

Tell someone is losing the argument when they resort to swearing. Loosen up old chap. If the woman you love, which you moved abroad for and left the sport you love, decided to have another lover or two on the side. How long could you love her for? That is why my love for speedway, a team sport, went. I did not believe the riders were fully committed to me being there, free or not, every week. How many others feel the same? How can you support a bunch of riders who be playing away the next night? And by the way, Clean Cut Sports is a brilliant company (there are others) that you'll be able to have dvds shipped out to you, save the freeloading on the internet. Just because you moved doesn't mean you can't still chip in. Your position is like downloading illegal music because there isn't a music shop near you.

Your problem can be resolved with me explaining, clearly, that I currently refuse to pay to watch live speedway in this country, simply because... it is about as real as a facelift. Now, please tell me if you think I'm wrong, but why would anyone hand over £20 for something they feel is so dire that, and it isn't only me who feels this, hence the continuing worry that the sport will be dead in a decade or two? I am not some benefactor that only attends, pays money, just so that the few who still believe in the sport can have somewhere to go on a chosen night of the week. You seem to be concerned that I have an opinion on a sport I don't watch. But I don't watch it because of what has happened to it. I actually gave up my free pass and stopped attending both together, I was fed up with how the sport was. That was 10 years ago. It has only gone in one direction since. I read about it all the time on here and elsewhere. I wish you would stop trying to smear someone for an opinion, just because you feel speedway is so wonderful. The real world says it is not. But people like you will tell me I cannot have an opinion because I am not attending or watching the sport - a sport that I found was going in a direction I didn't like. I would be an idiot to attend something I didn't enjoy. But, do you know what, even with a free pass I attended three or four years longer than I should have done. Nothing that has happened since - even the brilliant new Belle Vue - encourages me to come back to a sport in which a team that finishes way out in front of the rest, with practically the same team all year, can be outpaced in the final weeks of the season by a team that changed its line up more times than I change my socks. I wouldn't even go for free. It isn't all about decent racing. You have to believe everything that surrounds it. It is now designed for the riders to get more out of it than the fans. That can't be right. But I expect you to come back and try to undermine how I feel. But it's getting boring now. I can't believe I'm answering questions from someone who ditched speedway and moved to another country. A real fan.

If you don't pay for a service, you are a freeloader. I offered a service and got a free pass - I didn't get it for free. Riders get paid for doing what they do, team managers, photographers get in for nowt and do their hobby. Why am I alone classed as a freeloader for offering a service? I am not bothered, It's the past. I'm more concerned with people peering over the wall to watch the sport nowadays.

We should start a new thread. What is the best freebie speedway has offered you, and who is the most hypocritical freeloader? Apart from me... my vote goes to: ________________.

Hero? And what did you do in the past that you have wanted to be kept secret but we all know about it on here? Apart from freeloading with the best of them?

A few bum chums on here watching each other's backs I see. You are probably sorry you posted it, premature as usual, as he states he watches on the internet later on. Wait before you mount in future, as the hedgehog wished before he saw the hairbrush.

Freeloader. The thing is, it's people like me that pay my subs to give the likes of BT the appetite to cover speedway. But you just piggyback it. I bet you read someone else's newspaper over their shoulder. I completed hours of work to get my complimentary pass at Belle Vue. But you term me a freeloader. You offer nothing to BT in monetary terms, but you don't class yourself a freeloader, because you don't boast about saving a bomb. You sir, are the freeloader, hook, line and sinker. Only an idiot would disagree.

Just that I'm being called a freeloader for having a complimentary ticket at Belle Vue... and yet some people are watching for free on the internet what I'm paying for in the UK. Couldn't make it up, though.

How do you watch the speedway?

If we judge Tai's titles putting him up there as Britain's best. Surely all those tracks and fans from the 70s makes speedway back then better than it is now. Is that right, BWitcher?

I think BT get it for free, some watch it on the internet for free. I pay though, for the channels, as football's on. Don't subscribe for the speedway. Yes, some fans are watching as freeloaders while I pay my subs. Works both ways, Steve. Do you pay?

No, I meant my freeloading.

I certainly was. Happy days.

I take football seriously, despite all the guests they're using and the Golden Double goal rule and players swanning off all over Europe to play for blinking foreign teams. And what about that top football side who purposely conceded goals to make them weaker so they could sign better players and come good right at the death to win the top prize? Roy of the Rovers stuff that is. Can't beat it. Much more exciting than speedway.

With all the talk of race fixing, little wonder speedway has never been taken seriously. But was race fixing of the past better than today? BWitcher?

No. But to actually have a pair of custom-made jim-jams of his new side is my gripe. That's my point. That is no loyalty to his old fans. In fact, it's a smack in the face. So, guesting in the Cup Final is fine. It happened in the past, you remind me. But, BWitcher, I thought we were more professional than the past. It is nice to see you compare today's speedway with the good old days when it suits. Fans were certainly gullible in the past. But it is the sense of gullibility from those still defending the sport that I can't fathom. Stand up, BWitcher.That is you, sir! I hold no grudges, BWitcher. I still answer your boring posts, don't I? You would try to prove me wrong if I told you today's date was 19th October. You are one of those annoying people.

1982 Intercontinental. Didn't compare with the Crump and Pedersen one though when they were obviously trying to manufacture the result of a World Cup race so as one country could use the Joker and the other country wanted to finish in a position so they couldn't. It was like Strictly Come Dancing in 60 seconds. Just as embarrassing though.