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Read what I said earlier! Again, that's something that NEVER happens in British speedway...

We're talking about British speedway, Steve; NOTHING should surprise you as far as rules - including people not even being made aware of the rules...

I find the threads about the not-so-great (and often forgotten) riders the most interesting of all - and heaven knows, there were enough of 'em in the 80's!

So why did you open with that statement? That looked pretty specific to me? Plus, it's a lie; ALWAYS "on his back"? As norbold stated, I was usually one of the first to jump in and help when John needed it. I often stated that John just needed to forget about posting stupid, contradictory, inflammatory, illegal, and insulting stuff, and everything would be fine. I stand by that still...

Okay, looks like I'm the one who's not wanted here...

What I find interesting is that John was DESPERATE to sever all ties with Facebook, and all the speedway groups, and a number of us tried to help him. So, I wonder what happened? I never made any accusations like those you levelled against me. THAT is why I had a problem...

You never cared for me anyway; 1) Because I stand by my opinion (and don't suffer fools gladly) and 2) Because you think I "deserted" speedway (even though I put more into it - emotionally and financially - than you do) Thing is, John and I did have some really good conversations (including PM's), but you never know what personality you were dealing with from day to day.

Not true. I get on his back when he posts crap on here, and acts like an idiot. I am one of the few who have actually stated that he is (or should be) a valuable member of the forum, and whenever he has needed assistance (often with technology), I have been one of the first to jump in and help.

Lucky you! He bloody ignores me...

I didn't know if this was the thread where to do this, but this is where he was most active... It was a few months ago when our well-known speedway historian from the South London Press, John Hyam (gustix) seemed to fade from the social media scene. You may recall how he departed Facebook, and was desperate to close his account and remove all traces of activity. He also ceased posting on the BSF. Obviously, it can be worrying when people disappear from view, particularly when they are of advancing years. However, it seems that the old chap is doing well, and is active on his Facebook groups. Just wanted to let you all know...

I'd looked for it recently, and couldn't find it. Pity, that was a valuable resource...

Andy Grahame was the same. He was forced out of the BL because they lowered the points limit, and not a single team could fit him in, yet his average was too high for him to drop down!

Why would you expect anything else? Very sad...

And Leicester...

I remember one like that at a winter junior match between Hackney and Belle Vue. What made this one really bad was that the rider fell, got up, and was standing on the outside of the bend - and THEN he got run down by the guy behind him!

Pretty much how my dad explained it to me; Ove just didn't budge, and Ivor paid the price... Agree 100%. I am VERY reluctant to claim that a rider intentionally tried to crock another. Most of the time they are just "wild", and "hairy", and the worst thing they can be accused of is "over-riding". Someone of whom I wasn't a fan (for obvious reasons), but I just came to accept that he wasn't always in full control - was Preben Eriksen.

Yeah, definitely Peterborough...

That's what scares me. I sit here reading match reports from the mid-to-late 70's, and it's amazing just how many we have lost. Certainly makes me feel old...

Absolutely, Bob. He passed away in June 2018.

Yep, that's the info I found...

Maybe Liverpool? At Stanley Stadium?

Jim Holder was English, Bill Dickie, Andy Milne, James Logie, Bob McGregor, Jimmie Pinkerton, and Oliver Goodfellow were all Scottish. I will see if I can confirm the others.

Hey, don't get TOO carried away, Tony! I was only born in 1962, so I'm not really old enough to actually remember them riding for us... My clearest memory of Sverre is from when he broke his arm in 1970 (Christer Lofqvist's debut).

Well, we had two of those at Plough Lane!

Oh, don't get me started on those bloody apostrophes!!! When I see signs like this - a greengrocer selling "apple's", I want to ask, "an apple's what?"