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Nothing to do with spin. Fact! Steve

No. The scoring meant that whoever was fourth didn't win... Steve

You speak a lot of sense on the BSF - generally - but I have to disagree with your comments here. I have seen Woffinden make some amazing moves against world-class opposition and leave them standing. Maybe it doesn't look quite same, because of the track conditions, the machinery, and the generic riding styles today, but it has very much the same effect as some of the moves that PC used to make. I deliberately truncated your post, but with regard to Doug Wyer, he was a great rider, and he had a great year in 1976. However, even that year, I do not feel he ever approached the level of riders like Simmons, Louis, or Sanders, let alone the level of PC, Olsen, or Mauger. That means I don't even put him alongside the likes of Janowski, Hancock, or the two Russians. Steve

I'm so sorry; that was somebody else. Many apologies... Steve

Of course, British Champion is a much greater achievement than World Champion... Steve

As we have said, riders like Craven and Collins have some kind of claim, but you don't even think he is in the top 20 British riders, do you? That is what is laughable. Steve

I appreciate the kinds words. I didn't - as suggested by moxey63 - swear because I was losing an argument. I swore (and I was classy enough to use an asterisk) because he decided to judge me as a person, and make ridiculous accusations and assumptions - seemingly based on the fact that I emigrated. Over the years, I have had to deal with many accusations and assumptions (both in the US and UK) regarding the matter, and sometimes, it just gets a little too much. Oh, and I'm not just a troll who attempts to hide behind a username. Having said that, I do know who moxey63 is... Steve

That is what is frustrating me! And he thinks that buying dvd's months AFTER the event is a substitute for watching live sport? Finally, what really set me off was questioning me being a "real" fan, because I "ditched" speedway. Since emigrating, I have still attended speedway (and paid for it) in Britain as well as the US. I have spent money on numerous dvd's, books, memorabilia, so yes, I have still been "chipping in". Steve

There really is something wrong with you! I 'ditched" speedway? I'm f*cking sorry that being with the woman you love isn't considered a valid reason for someone to move, and you think that going to speedway is more important! That's good coming from someone who doesn't go to speedway just because he got "fed up". Steve

I have said before (not that you read it, as I'm sure you only had the internet on in the background...), but I have NO PROBLEM with you getting in for nothing as a result of your work. What I have a problem with is that you now refuse to pay to get in. I also have a problem with you claiming "knowledge" of things you do not watch... You think I "peer over the wall"? I use the service that the organisers provide for me; I do not "piggyback". I cannot pay for a service that is not available to me! If you have a problem with me using the official service provided - which is legal, and certainly not unethical - then complain to BSI. As I said, I would be happy to pay for a streaming service if that was the case, because I (unlike you) think the product is worth paying to see... Steve

I liked those Nielsen leathers too. As a fan of black, I thought Olsen had some great ones, particularly when he was sponsored by SodaStream. Surprised nobody has mentioned Ray Wilson's yellow Bostik leathers... Steve

So, all speedway fans who live abroad and cannot get the services that YOU get, but use services provided by the organisers specifically for them, are freeloaders? I do accept that 29 years of paying to attend speedway meetings around the country is totally negated by me not paying a small fee for some fifteen days of a service that isn't available to me. Of course, I would be happy to pay for a service that enables me to watch the greatest British speedway rider of all time... Steve

Of course, but I'm sure many of us on here have. Yet very few of us would have refused to go to speedway just because we had to pay... Steve

Because he wouldn't be considered a hero (sorry, consider himself a hero) if he kept quiet... Steve

I do watch speedway on the net, but I am not quite sure where this crap about "piggybacking" BT comes from. The broadcasting rights/deals come from BSI, who arrange live streaming for people around the world who can't get television coverage. Got bugger all to do with BT! He probably thinks I should pay the BBC license fee too! 29 years of paying - every week - to go to speedway all over the country, and I'm a freeloader. Okay.... Steve

Yoh aren't being called a freeloader for having a complimentary ticket. You are being called a freeloader because you boast about the fact that you saved "a bomb", and that you refused to go when you had to pay. The difference between you and me is: You CAN go to speedway - but WON'T. I CAN'T go to speedway - but I WOULD. Steve

Relax; that wasn't actually directed at you! As I said, debating Woffinden, Craven, Collins etc is fine, but there are those who really take it to extremes... As I've said before, I have watched speedway for over 50 years, and to me, NOBODY has ever looked as comfortable on a bike as Tai. Seriously. Of course, he has a record to match... Steve

I thought Poole were the Pirates, not the Cretins??? Steve

So, you are saying it is quite feasible that Ken Eyre and Ian Hindle WERE better riders than Tai? Again, interesting thought... Steve

So, the fans and the number of tracks are responsible for riders being better in the old days? Interesting thought... Steve

Of course not! We don't get BT in Ohio... Steve

Do we have to pay for it, or can we be "freeloaders"? Steve

Is that really important??? Of course, we can "prove" one of those... Steve

Apparently it's not. It has been stated on here that Tai Woffinden is not as good as Ken Eyre or Ian Hindle. That is a fact... Steve

I can't see ANYONE on here disagreeing with that. Actually, yes I can... Steve