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Not missing the point at all. If a nation doesn't have three strong senior riders, it is highly unlikely that they will have a competitive under-21. Again, that is where GB are lucky; the best under-21 is also the nation's second best senior rider! I have said this before though, that throwing kids in at the deep end can be very counter-productive. In hindsight, it may have been better to take another under-21 instead of Harris, but you must admit, once you get past Woffinden, Lambert, and Cook, the list of Brits who can genuinely compete at world level is pretty bloody sparse! Funny thing is, we have a lot of "good" youngsters, but none of them (outside of Lambert) are anywhere near ready. Having said that, history will show that VERY few of the best teenagers actually develop into true world-class riders, and that youth development programs actually generate little in the way of world-class contenders. What happens in reality is that once every few years, someone special comes along, and any connections to a youth programme are likely to be coincidental. That isn't just a British thing, and neither is it a speedway problem either; it is the way of things. Steve

You're really missing the point. Everyone whines about how flawed the modern systems (GP's, SoN, etc) are, but the old systems which people seem to prefer are no less flawed! As I have said repeatedly, whatever system is used, there will always be anomalies and weird occurrences. I agree - in principle - with your comment about two semis and a final, but there aren't enough nations of suitable strength to provide two decent and competitive semis. Forgetting the poor track in Togliatti, how much better could it have been had we had Woffinden and a fit Lambert, and the Germans had Smolinski with Huckenbeck? Like many others, I think the biggest flaw with the SoN is the compulsory inclusion - and use - of Under-21's. If you want to find the strongest "nation" (be it pairs, 4-man teams, or whatever), then let them choose their strongest riders, regardless of age. Of course, the system benefits GB (when the riders are fit) because of Lambert, but instead of equalizing team strengths, all it does is favour teams like GB and Poland. Steve

The only embarrassment is that we don't have enough quality replacements, which isn't exactly Rosco's fault... Even had we taken Bewley - or anyone else, for that matter - instead of Harris, we would still have brought up the rear. Steve

Showing your age, pal!!! Like me...

Of course the British Final was tough. My point refers to the comment where the poster apparently thinks that only winners should advance to finals. In those days, you could finish fifth, eighth, sixth, and then eleventh in a series of meetings, yet you would be in the World Final - which it was possible to win without even winning a race! Steve

Trust me, there are enough of those comments that you don't have to read every post or thread! Plus, did you not see the emoji I used? I don't always like emojis, but I use them if I think anyone may misunderstand my intent... Steve

I wish you a speedy recovery. You have obviously just got home from hospital after having your sense of humour removed... There has been a constant battle on here as there are those who believe that being born in a foreign country makes you British, yet being born in Britain to British parents makes you an Aussie... Yes, IT WAS A JOKE! WHOOSH! Iainb clearly got it...

Good call!!!

Hancock? Tony Hancock was the blood donor, so Chris Harris must be the points donor... Ouch...

So you want two non-Brits to control GB??? Hang on, does being born in Malta make you British, or being born in Britain to British parents? I'll get me coat...

Even with a fit Lambert and Cook, I don't think we should be challenging teams like Australia and Sweden. If we are to challenge at all, we need Woffinden. The Poles were disappointing, but they still have several world-class riders outside of Zmarzlik. Outside of Woffinden, we don't... If you think Harris's performance made us look worse, then that is up to you. I prefer to use facts like we couldn't take a point off anyone yesterday - even when we did get in front. Doesn't matter how far behind he was...

Not just patience; a closer look at reality. You hit several nails on the head there... Steve

1) Absolutely not. This is 2019, not 1980, and we simply don't have anyone close to the quality of Woffinden and Lambert. Oh yes, Cook is next in line, and guess what, he was injured too! You can't just think we should be beating everyone because we are British, or because Germany used to be crap. Remember, it would have been even worse had they had Smolinski instead of Riss... 2) As proud as we were of Lambert, last year's silver was pretty much courtesy of one of the greatest INDIVIDUAL performances in speedway history. That was no indication whatsoever of the strength of GB as a nation. 3) It is most unfair to say it was just down to Bomber's performance; we were missing Woffinden, a fit Lambert, and a fit Cook. As I said elsewhere, how many of the teams in attendance would have survived the loss of their top three riders?

And Lambert and Cook injured... We would have made Czechoslovakia's 1970 WTC score look mighty impressive...

I see you are confused, Midland Red? The poster was claiming that the cricket World Cup should qualify only two group winners directly to the final, and that the Champions League should include only "champions". Therefore, I wonder what he thought of the old speedway World Championship system, where you could scrape through each of the qualifying rounds (in as low as 11th spot), and then win a World Final? Of course, those were the "good old days" when it was possible to become World Champion without winning a race... Steve

Of course, speedway was so much better in the old days, particularly in the World Championship. Sixteen qualifying meetings with only the winner from each making it to the World Final!

Should it now? You probably feel the same way about the football World Cup. And the Olympic rowing events with the repechage. And fastest losers in Olympic athletics events. Steve

And Liverpool didn't win the Premier League, despite losing only one game to Manchester City's four. And Roger Federer (36) won more games than Novak Djokovic (32), yet Djokovic won Wimbledon. Is everyone up in arms about it, and protesting the systems? Of course not... Funny, but speedway fans are so fixed on "try explaining that to non-speedway fans". All they are doing is justifying (or attempting to justify) to themselves what they believe is wrong with speedway, and why non-speedway fans don't follow the sport. Like things like that are important to non-speedway fans. Whatever system is used, there will always be anomalies... Steve

His path to most has been easy????? Yeah, it doesn't take any ability or effort to win a GP World Championship series! Three times! He's really lucky that was all given to him. And pray tell what relevance the GB team manager has as far as a GP wild card?

Not necessarily. Unfortunately, there can be be some serious repercussions from throwing kids in at the deep end - and it is not just something that is confined to speedway. Sport - in particular, top-level sport - is all about confidence. I'm not saying it always happens, but it very easy to destroy confidence by throwing someone into something they are not ready for. Take them along to let them soak up the atmosphere by all means. Maybe give them a ride or two against weaker teams. However, with the way things started out yesterday, Bewley would undoubtedly been turning out in the majority of races. Cook wasn't fit after the crash, but he soldiered on as we had nobody else. Lambert wasn't fit to ride after the crash, but he felt he had to make the effort. I applaud their commitment to the cause. As I said, had Bewley been there, he would have been used, and as good and promising he is, he would have probably struggled to get any points on the board. Getting consistently tailed off - even if it is the world's best - can really cause someone to have doubts, and that is the last thing anybody wants. Was it a disaster for British hopes? Yes! Was it embarrassing? I think not. As has been mentioned by others, out top three riders (the ONLY three who can genuinely merit a place in such a lineup) were all missing or injured. Okay, how would the Russians have fared without Sayfutdinov, Laguta, and Chugunov? Would Sweden have been competitive without Lindgren and Ljung? Or Australia, just without Doyle? It is sad that we don't have the strength in depth, but GB were felled by a totally bizarre -- and tragic - combination of incidents. Sometimes things happen, and we just have to deal with it. Should Harris have been there? Probably not, but again, quality (and suitable) British riders are thin on the ground right now. As far as the actual event... It WAS poor, on a poor track. Is that indicative of the way speedway has deteriorated? Not in any way, shape, or form. There have ALWAYS been crap meetings. On crap tracks. There will be more. There were complaints about Amsterdam, Munich, and plenty of others, but you know what, we moved on. It doesn't help that the riders want slick tracks (mostly because modern speedway bikes are allergic to dirt and grip), and don't have the skills and mentality to deal with deeper tracks, but that still doesn't mean that the tracks are going to be like this weekend's. Maybe that was a one-off at Togliatti, maybe not, but you can't judge an entire sport on one weekend. Of course, it is sad that tracks are so adversely affected not just by rain, but by sunshine and heat... Refereeing? One of the biggest problems in football these days is the correct (and consistent) application of the rules. Speedway is no different, and I believe that we should have an elite group of individuals for major events. With the ref's performance this weekend, and Ackroyd's pathetic display a couple of GP's back, that really is something that needs to be improved. I don't have all the answers as far as starting offences, but I do know that in the case of simple restarts, the riders should just get straight back to the tapes. No two minutes, no mechanics, nothing like that... Steve

...if you buy his books...

If that is an interrogatory statement - which it is - then why no question mark???

Ruddy pessimist... And it's THAN!!!!! Cook did well considering, but in hindsight, it now looks like Lambert actually came off worse...

But you don't look it!!!

Are good when using the 75? Anyway, everybody else is complaining about everything, so I thought I would join in!