Ben91

I'll hold my hands up to this, Scribbler, however my intention has been to show Roger that personal abuse and telling people he is allowed an opinion but they are not is not right, just as I expected, he took my first post and rather than a reasoned response, I had the same diatribe directed at myself. This did start as a discussion on the speedway meeting, however as Mr. Martin is the only fan allowed an opinion when it comes to the Plymouth Devils, he had to converse about a different subject

That did make me laugh As for Brundle joining Bournemouth, maybe there's some logic there that riding for Bournemouth is like a stepping stone to Poole on his part? Also as Brundle is a Lynn asset and Mills has joined Lynn, it may just be part of the deal, that Lynn had to help find a replacement and they have one, literally on their doorstep.

No I'm not, You should know what attacking the poster is, you do it in pretty much every post you make. That's nice to hear, lewy, your the kind of forum member I'd have no problems talking to if I met you on my travels, basically the kind of fan who isn't on here to talk out of their backsides.

That doesn't even make sense. It's nice having a shadow, makes my posts seem even more sensible.

Cares about my posts, not me personally... You do make me laugh, Trying to twist my words and failing miserably. That holes pretty deep now, could line it and fill it with water, have a nice artifical lake to calm down in front of

Ah, the threatening kind?

Sorry I'm straight

Nice to know someone cares

No, name calling is abuse, picking your posts apart if I don't agree with them is perfectly acceptable. You keep digging away

That's it, keep on digging Roger. It'd be wise of you to notice that throughout this discussion I have remained totally neutral. However I take exception to abuse and what could be perceived as threatening behaviour, especially towards someone who has done nothing to merit that kind of treatment. As for hiding behind the site that is a falsity, many members here know who I am, you simply know nothing about me so have resorted to cliched replies such as 'you hide behind your keyboard.' The bit in bold at the end is also classed as personal abuse, remember the rules. 'Attack the post, not the poster.'

Purely due to the 'make it up as we go along' attitude in British Speedway, Bryn, especially at this level. Bournemouth will have to find a new riders of course, who could they use is the bigger question though.

Thought I'd give this a bump, Millsy has now returned to Kings Lynn. As his PL average is over 4 the Buccs will now have to find a new number 1. Buxton had to do the same with Charles Wright so if Millsy is allowed to stay on at Bournemouth I wouldn't be surprised however it would be an absolute travesty.

Oh this just gets better and better! You just don't know when to draw the line Roger. Remind me to bring you a spade when I next visit the SBA, the size of the hole you are currently digging yourself, your one must be getting pretty worn now. To top it all off you have put a prospective paying customer against the idea of visiting the SBA due to your threatening post towards torpoint... Well done.

How amusing, so let me get this straight, Torpoint was the only fan in the whole stadium who thought Kyle was unlucky and to top it off you are saying you are entitled to an opinion but Torpoint isn't... How amusing.

It's not sticking up for Torpoint's opinion, but more the way he was shot down. Sometimes things get heated, however the way you type your replies on this and other forums can sometimes be the difference between an argument and a debate. At the end of the day, speedway is speedway, the referee's decision is final, if you don't agree with someone's view on the forum it doesn't neccesitate a blunt reply straight away.

Torpoint is allowed a view on what happened in the meeting. Some people might think whatyouve said 'don't matter' but there's no need for such a blunt reply. Nothing wrong with stating if we had a bit of luck things could have been different.

I'd like to say that this is getting ridiculous now. This is not a race issue and the fact that that 'card' has been played is pretty low in my opinion. Dave's views are strong and will not be changed, whilst the same goes for the other British posters, myself included, on this thread. Whilst the rules allow commonwealth riders into the National League then there is nothing stopping it from happening, however much we debate here. A majority of promoters will of course be for keeping things as they are, though fan power can change that, perhaps a petition asking for the NL to become Brits only, the control bureau cannot ignore something if a large number of fans make an official statement of their views IMO. This is not 'anti-Aussie' just sorting the wheat from the chaff, if an Aussie comes over, they ride PL on a 5 point average so signing them is more of a gamble/the better riders get signed up still. It would then mean rather than a NL team perhaps employing a mediocre Australian (there have been some, surprisingly ), they would have to use a mediocre Brit another issue which needs looking at is lowering the points limit, by it's nature that means more teams will have to use three point British riders anyway.

This obscure document is the official rulebook for British Speedway in 2010... Unbelieveable . I have stated in one post that you were being hypocritical, backed up by evidence, that is not personal abuse in my book but reasoned argument. As for lightening up, I don't need any, however I take umbridge to somebody telling me that I have an 'anti-aussie' attitude due to what other people have said!

Attack the post not the poster, I've not attacked you once, I have proven your point is wrong, thus you are being hypocritical, something I have correctly stated. You are also now being patronising as i'm sure calling me 'Benny boy' is in reference to my age, something which does not invalidate my opinion, or allow you to speak to me in such a tone. Yes you have provided three examples, however they were not posted by me and are not my opinion, I am not 'anti-aussie' and I have stated that beforehand, I have proven to you that the league is called the National Development League and there is no denying that fact.

Oh dear, I believe if you look here which is the British Speedway Rulebook for 2010 you will find that you are a hypocrite. As for your examples, not one is of a post I have made, I can't control what other people say, can I?

It's funny how I have stated in my previous posts that this is not an 'anti-aussie' issue but an issue of doing more for our own youngsters as well, but of course BFD decided to neglect that fact. He also neglects the fact that the league is called the National DEVELOPMENT League. It is written in the rulebook, we're not making it up.

Exactly, the Commonwealth riders may well add excitement etc to the league and there may be lots of positives to it, however the big negative is that they are stunting the progress of young Brits. I'm not so fussed by the older riders in the league tbh, they are British riders still after all. The solution is an obvious one, the points limit needs lowering at this level, that way more 3 point Brits will have to be used. We need to put the British riders first, sorry if we are raining on big fat daves parade but this is the British speedway forum and we want to see British riders in our British National Development League teams. Every other country put their own riders first so it's time we did the same for once.

Nobody is slagging him off, it's the circumstances in which has been brought in, I suspect you knew that and just wanted to stir though. As Dyer has not turned a wheel for the Heathens and is pretty much unknown in Britain, to state that he is the best option is ridiculous. I'm sure that there would have been a proven British rider on a 6 point average somewhere. Again, how can you make that assumption when Dyer has not raced in the British League yet. You can't tell someone that they are wrong based on an assumption of your own. Lucas was right too... The whole "Aussies make sacrifices" thing doesn't wash with me either. If they want to come half way across the world to further their careers that is their perogative, it doesn't mean we have to hand them everything on a platter because they have done so. When it was the Conference League there were no commonwealth riders in the league and the lowest point of entry for a commonwealth rider was as a 7 point Premier League rider. Why we have decided to make things easier baffles me. I agree with lowering the assesed PL figure to 5 perhaps, as 7 is hard to achieve but that should be the lowest entry point for any commonwealth rider to British speedway, that way the decent riders will still come over and there will be less of a "lets have him because he's Australian" attitude. If there are commonwealth riders with patriality then the lowest point of entry could be, say a 3 point PL average or a 6 point NL figure, however this would depend on the rider racing as a Brit. If riders want to use our system then we should get some benefit from it.

No doubt about it, British speedway is slowly slipping off the map, now we even have British riders being dropped in favour of Aussies in the National League, however Micky Dyer sounds more like a rejected Eastenders character imo...

I completely understand and respect your view Mariner, I do feel if these Aussies are going to use their parents/grandparents British heritage as a way to race here on a 3 point average, then they should commit to race as British riders, whether they will or not is of course another matter.